Merge In Turn
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Fer

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310 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Can anyone give a definative summary of Merge In Turn. We have a MIT on the A4 in Maidenhead, just off the Police Station roundabout, where a short section of 40MPH two lane dual carriageway becomes a 30MPH single lane single carriageway. The SO was driving along there the other day, in very light traffic, having just overtaken a bus, when the bus and her collided.

Our insurers sent us a letter saying that they had admitted liability on her behalf, as she should have given way, since she was in the right hand lane. Looking at the signage it clearly shows the right lane merging in front of the left lane, and the words "Merge In Turn". Having raised this with the insurance company they have sent a letter retracting liability, and are going to investigate further, but I would be keen to know if there are any legal views on MIT, as I could not find any reference to it in the Highway Code.

Any thoughts?

miniman

30,076 posts

292 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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IIRC, merge in turn is not an "official" sign. I remember a case a while ago where some MIT signs were put up and significantly improved traffic flow - but were then removed because they were not "legal". This being the case, I would suspect that the general highway code rules would officially apply.

leosayer

7,830 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Only a layman's opinion....if the SO (whatever that is!?) had overtaken the bus then how did they collide? I think that's more important than any reference to MIT.

Fer

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310 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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SO = significant other

According to her, she had overtaken it, and indicated to pull over, and the bus kept coming up the inside and hence the "coming together". No major damage, the front bumper on the bus (o/s) and the n/s back bumper on her car.

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Traffic on your offside has right of way if they're alongside of ahead of you, thats how I drive (not sure if its legally binding though).

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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The MIT signage 'round these parts has arrows to the effect that, rather than merge into the space alongside, you should burn past and force your way in front. Makes no sense to me... perhaps the sign writers were having a laugh?

Flat in Fifth

48,791 posts

281 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Merge in Turn or "zipping" was supposed to be included in the last Highway Code revision, but some numpty civil servant threw it out at the last minute allegedly. Reason unknown to me at least.

I cannot find the merge in turn sign in TSRGD but when I have seen the sign previously, it is clear to me what is meant by "merge in turn" just by looking at the arrows. Zipping as in the way a zip meshes seems to explain the desired result.

Notwithstanding the International Rules for Prevention of Collision at Sea (joke!) that the overtaking vessel keeps clear, and there isn't an element of last second cutting in, then perhaps it is a case of the bus driver deciding to teach someone a lesson for daring to read the signs and in his/her view push in.

pdV6

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291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Aplolgies for the lash-up picture, but I don't have a photo to hand...

This is basically what the MIT signs in Bristol look like. Just seems wrong to me...

Fer

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Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Anywhere else have these MIT signs?

I agree with the comment about cutting in front in a daring overtaking move, but unlikely in the SOs case, and not in the Sharan! From what she said, the bus did not let her merge in, when she started to pull over and slow for the 30 limit, the bus kept coming and nudged her.

Would be interested to know where else has these, and if there are any laws regarding them.

I feel that it is a knock for knock situation, since I was not there I cannot comment on it, but was disgusted with the insurer just rolling over and admitting liability without considering the MIT.

cptsideways

13,884 posts

282 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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It is wrong we have the same down our way, what is shown in the pic is cutting up not merge in turn!! lol

Fer

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310 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Just found this example, which looks similar to pdV6's sketch.

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Do you have to be a Tripod member to see that?

Mon Ami Mate

6,589 posts

298 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Which part of the car collided with which part of the bus?

Fer

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Tuesday 17th May 2005
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pdV6 said:
Do you have to be a Tripod member to see that?


Don't think so, well, I am not, anyway. Here is the URL for the pic.

puggit

49,806 posts

278 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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We have them in Reading, when you come out from the roundabout at the bottom of Southampton St, heading along the side of the IDR towards London St outside the Oracle (which happens to be one of the most idiotic road systems ever invented by local councillors...).

They were put in because everyone queued diligently in one lane of the two - so savvy people like me went flying past!

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Have only once come across this "FiFZip" some time ago on a dual and thought it a good idea. Problem being that it is not universally known how to merge in turn so there was opposition from those in the nearside lane.

Sign does not appear in TSGD but Sec of Sec can authorise one not shown in the Regs which I presume he would have done to allow Highways to use.

(Dont shout about this too loud as new TM for TB may stick a Reg on the Table of the House and 30 days later - offence to zip out of turn. 60/3 points.)

DVD

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Fer said:

pdV6 said:
Do you have to be a Tripod member to see that?



Don't think so, well, I am not, anyway. Here is the URL for the pic.

Just get a redirect to the "image hosted by Tripod" message...

WildCat

8,369 posts

273 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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They have such signs for zip merge on continent. As far as am aware - no penalties for not doing so - or not come across anything to suggest this....but shall ask my foreign relatives on this one.

But have always zip-merged anyway.....

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

278 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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pdV6 said:
How dumb is that? merge in turn would surely be to move across into the empty gap on your left. What that sign shows is 'overtake and cut in on the car ahead of you in lane 1'.

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Balmoral Green said:

How dumb is that?

Exactly. Couldn't believe my eyes when I 1st saw the sign.