HGV speed limits
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Upatdawn

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2,202 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th February 2019
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Followed a Scania tractor unit on a dual carriageway (no trailer), at 70mph


A R.O.I. registered vehicle, it wasnt downhill, he was going well but wouldnt he require a 56mph speed restrictor?

bobtail4x4

4,409 posts

139 months

Thursday 28th February 2019
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lots of irish trucks have "faulty" limiters

Its Just Adz

18,907 posts

239 months

Thursday 28th February 2019
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Put in neutral, easy to hit over 60 on a downhill with weight pushing you.
The UK speed limit for HGV's is 60 BTW, it's an EU law governing the 56 mph limiter, hopefully be removed soon.

Nickyboy

6,825 posts

264 months

Thursday 28th February 2019
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Scania, Irish, that's all you need to know

Ron99

1,985 posts

111 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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I followed a 'fast' lorry last year.
I'd say it was capable of cruising at mid-60s mph.
They're mostly on the M11 and A11 in my area; I haven't seen one on the A14.

https://youtu.be/tS82UrgkvYI

(yes, I know his reg number, no I didn't grass him up as he wasn't driving dangerously)

Chedders

368 posts

119 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Its Just Adz said:
Put in neutral, easy to hit over 60 on a downhill with weight pushing you.
The UK speed limit for HGV's is 60 BTW, it's an EU law governing the 56 mph limiter, hopefully be removed soon.
Wrong. You dont need to put it in neutral at all, it still crosses over the limiter on a down hill when in gear.

Not long after the tachograph goes mad with beeping and its recorded as an overspeed if you dont brake. The boss will see this when you put your card into their machine at end of day or week or vosa if pulled over.



Its Just Adz

18,907 posts

239 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Chedders said:
Wrong. You dont need to put it in neutral at all, it still crosses over the limiter on a down hill when in gear.

Not long after the tachograph goes mad with beeping and its recorded as an overspeed if you dont brake. The boss will see this when you put your card into their machine at end of day or week or vosa if pulled over.


They all must be different as mine wont go over in gear, it in neutral easy to do so.
Old style tacho too so no beeping.

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Retarder.

sherbertdip

1,288 posts

149 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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I was passed by an Irish registered artic late one night on the M5, i was doing 70-75 mph, he went past in the outside lane and i was on the inside, middle lane clear, I phoned the police who asked details of lorry, where we were and was i prepared to give evidence, I never did hear anything further.

On a similar vain there are some exceptions one that I was involved with in a previous job was unrestricted tractor units, we had one that went from Berkshire to just north of Carlisle at an average speed of 93 mph (with a police escort).


Lemming Train

5,567 posts

102 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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Its Just Adz said:
Chedders said:
Wrong. You dont need to put it in neutral at all, it still crosses over the limiter on a down hill when in gear.

Not long after the tachograph goes mad with beeping and its recorded as an overspeed if you dont brake. The boss will see this when you put your card into their machine at end of day or week or vosa if pulled over.


They all must be different as mine wont go over in gear, it in neutral easy to do so.
Old style tacho too so no beeping.
You've no weight on or your hill isn't steep enough. Unless there's a strong head wind even an empty artic will overrun will ease going down the Lancs side of Windy Hill, for example.

Lemming Train

5,567 posts

102 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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sherbertdip said:
On a similar vain there are some exceptions one that I was involved with in a previous job was unrestricted tractor units, we had one that went from Berkshire to just north of Carlisle at an average speed of 93 mph (with a police escort).
Yeah righto. rolleyes

grumpy52

6,062 posts

196 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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It's usually Irish or Spanish HGVS that are flying past at speeds way over the limits .
When the speed limiters were first introduced a couple of nationalities often retained and refurbished the unrestricted trucks . As is the way of things ,ways to defeat the limiters soon emerged .
If you want to see the full speeding madness try the A75 at night . It's full wacky racers on the charge to and from the ferries.
I used to drive a recovery truck that wasn't restricted and frequently had it off the clock at 80mph plus .
One place that I worked had a Scanìa 143 that frequently topped 100mph . It did regular trips from the toe of Italy to Calais non stop with the speedo and tacho off the dial
, all totally illegal but not as easy to prove as on modern trucks .

Nickyboy

6,825 posts

264 months

Friday 1st March 2019
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grumpy52 said:
It's usually Irish or Spanish HGVS that are flying past at speeds way over the limits .
When the speed limiters were first introduced a couple of nationalities often retained and refurbished the unrestricted trucks . As is the way of things ,ways to defeat the limiters soon emerged .
If you want to see the full speeding madness try the A75 at night . It's full wacky racers on the charge to and from the ferries.
I used to drive a recovery truck that wasn't restricted and frequently had it off the clock at 80mph plus .
One place that I worked had a Scanìa 143 that frequently topped 100mph . It did regular trips from the toe of Italy to Calais non stop with the speedo and tacho off the dial
, all totally illegal but not as easy to prove as on modern trucks .
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215880220576967&id=1189545616

sherbertdip

1,288 posts

149 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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Lemming Train said:
sherbertdip said:
On a similar vain there are some exceptions one that I was involved with in a previous job was unrestricted tractor units, we had one that went from Berkshire to just north of Carlisle at an average speed of 93 mph (with a police escort).
Yeah righto. rolleyes
Quite true - the clue is the start area and the route, maybe you are just ignorant (i don't mean that badly) in what goes on with some things, it's top speed was 110 mph!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Nuclear_Mate...

Chedders

368 posts

119 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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Its Just Adz said:
They all must be different as mine wont go over in gear, it in neutral easy to do so.
Old style tacho too so no beeping.
What do you drive? I've not driven one that does this - unless your exhaust brake kicks in?

Earthdweller

19,411 posts

156 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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Certain Irish ( and other ) hauliers have become quite adept at getting around speed limiters and drivers hours regs

The usual one is a hidden switch that each time it’s pressed gives and extra 10% speed .. yet still shows the correct speed on the tacho


Sometimes the only way to prove the offence is using time/distance calculations

Ghost drivers and all sorts of stunts are pulled on transnational journeys

Earthdweller

19,411 posts

156 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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sherbertdip said:
Lemming Train said:
sherbertdip said:
On a similar vain there are some exceptions one that I was involved with in a previous job was unrestricted tractor units, we had one that went from Berkshire to just north of Carlisle at an average speed of 93 mph (with a police escort).
Yeah righto. rolleyes
Quite true - the clue is the start area and the route, maybe you are just ignorant (i don't mean that badly) in what goes on with some things, it's top speed was 110 mph!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Nuclear_Mate...
It’s true smile

We had numerous vehicles that if civilian would have required tacho’s and limiters but didn’t

A4 cabrio

933 posts

189 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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Its Just Adz said:
Put in neutral, easy to hit over 60 on a downhill with weight pushing you.
The UK speed limit for HGV's is 60 BTW, it's an EU law governing the 56 mph limiter, hopefully be removed soon.
Worst thing you could do is put it in neutral to freewheel down a hill, would literally have no control over the engine speed.

C Lee Farquar

4,229 posts

246 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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A4 cabrio said:
Worst thing you could do is put it in neutral to freewheel down a hill, would literally have no control over the engine speed.
I think you''d have complete control over the engine speed, via the throttle?

lawrencec

199 posts

222 months

Saturday 2nd March 2019
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I followed a irish driver along the m1 i was towing and couldnt keep up with him !