9:55 GMT today - livestream from AML at Geneva
Discussion
https://www.motor1.com/news/307934/aston-martin-la...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZNmkfV6rE
Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 5th March 08:32
An extremely slick presentation. Full marks. A great amount of preparation must have been involved.
At first glance for me, I had difficulty quickly spotting the differences between the shapes of the Valkyrie, 003 and Vanquish.
I am sure with more study, there are features of the designs which identify each model.
So glad that a clear differentiation has been established between Aston Martin sports cars, and the Lagonda electric cars.
Exciting times ahead.
NFC 85 Vette said:
The choice of powerplant; that'll be a paradox for some - a truly home brewed engine, but for some, not the right number of cylinders.
That is fine with me. My long-term DD is a V6, a very smooth engine.
And remember, it is 50% more cylinders, than Aston Martin's DTM racing car. -
-AMVSVNick said:
Not sure what the design language is any more - that's not saying I don't like them.
Agree with that matey, it seems there is a very real split between the "normal" cars and the super car division. The latter in fairness could have been Lotus' / McLaren but if that's the shape for optimum aero then that's the way forward.Well presented, as to be expected. Didn't exactly get a raputous ovation at the reveals but is that how things things roll at the Geneva Show?
I get the 'hard at work' look but honestly, AP really should have been given a haircut and a decent tailored suit for that. He looks like he has rocked up at a funeral. His coworkers looked sharp and on brand.
I thought the cars were all looking a bit like mclaren 'esque tracktoys. I doubt they will be relevant to me as the pricepoint for the road going car will be crazy money and the thought of trying to park it with the huge wheel arches obscuring the corners would give me a nervous breakdown. Will be interesting to see them get to production and in the real world.
Feels like we are going to see a lot of these kinds of cars, another one yesterday, AM need to crack on:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-04...
I get the 'hard at work' look but honestly, AP really should have been given a haircut and a decent tailored suit for that. He looks like he has rocked up at a funeral. His coworkers looked sharp and on brand.
I thought the cars were all looking a bit like mclaren 'esque tracktoys. I doubt they will be relevant to me as the pricepoint for the road going car will be crazy money and the thought of trying to park it with the huge wheel arches obscuring the corners would give me a nervous breakdown. Will be interesting to see them get to production and in the real world.
Feels like we are going to see a lot of these kinds of cars, another one yesterday, AM need to crack on:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-04...
Very interesting and I did gasp when that Valkyrie was revealed - looks amazing. And then two similar theme models followed. It's quite clear they are going after the ohh so fashionable track (dare I say LMP) inspired look - less 'beauty' more ferocity. They look pretty amazing, and it's clear they want a piece of McLaren pie.
That's quite a balanced range now with the DB11 and the DBS filling in the more GT and continental cruiser brief and a DBX to upset people without dogs and kids or a local Ikea! Exciting times!
That's quite a balanced range now with the DB11 and the DBS filling in the more GT and continental cruiser brief and a DBX to upset people without dogs and kids or a local Ikea! Exciting times!
The Vanquish Vision Concept has some lovely touches on it. The side strakes look to be a nod to the previous car, and the headlights have (small) hint of Vantage Zagato to them. The rear 3/4 is superb - such a tidy, well proportioned rear. As a response to the F8 (a quite pretty thing IMO), it's an enticing prospect.
There was always a worry that a mid-engine production Aston would be a bit alien looking to the existing customer base, but to me it looks like quite a logical design evolution. It's how I hoped it would look, it's restrained where it needs to be, and exotic in other areas.
I'd seen comments about the Valkyrie, AM-RB 003 and Vanquish VC being like Russian dolls, but the devil's in the detail, and for me, they've nailed the Vanquish - I just hope the production version looks similar to the concept, but that said, as concepts go it doesn't look unfeasible.
There was always a worry that a mid-engine production Aston would be a bit alien looking to the existing customer base, but to me it looks like quite a logical design evolution. It's how I hoped it would look, it's restrained where it needs to be, and exotic in other areas.
I'd seen comments about the Valkyrie, AM-RB 003 and Vanquish VC being like Russian dolls, but the devil's in the detail, and for me, they've nailed the Vanquish - I just hope the production version looks similar to the concept, but that said, as concepts go it doesn't look unfeasible.
NFC 85 Vette said:
The Vanquish Vision Concept has some lovely touches on it. The side strakes look to be a nod to the previous car, and the headlights have (small) hint of Vantage Zagato to them. The rear 3/4 is superb - such a tidy, well proportioned rear. As a response to the F8 (a quite pretty thing IMO), it's an enticing prospect.
There was always a worry that a mid-engine production Aston would be a bit alien looking to the existing customer base, but to me it looks like quite a logical design evolution. It's how I hoped it would look, it's restrained where it needs to be, and exotic in other areas.
I'd seen comments about the Valkyrie, AM-RB 003 and Vanquish VC being like Russian dolls, but the devil's in the detail, and for me, they've nailed the Vanquish - I just hope the production version looks similar to the concept, but that said, as concepts go it doesn't look unfeasible.
Totally agree with this and I'm told by someone who is there that Vanquish is the better looker over the 003. Vanquish looks fabulous IMHO. There was always a worry that a mid-engine production Aston would be a bit alien looking to the existing customer base, but to me it looks like quite a logical design evolution. It's how I hoped it would look, it's restrained where it needs to be, and exotic in other areas.
I'd seen comments about the Valkyrie, AM-RB 003 and Vanquish VC being like Russian dolls, but the devil's in the detail, and for me, they've nailed the Vanquish - I just hope the production version looks similar to the concept, but that said, as concepts go it doesn't look unfeasible.
I also adore the new F8. AML have a once in a lifetime opportunity here, let's hope they don't waste it.
Several videos from MrJWW who hosted the Live Stream earlier.
The First FULLY OPERATING Aston Martin Valkyrie! (exclusive)
Finally here is a fully functioning Aston Martin Valkyrie complete with V12 engine and hybrid drive train! The Aston Martin Valkyrie Hypercar is powered by a naturally aspirated 6.5L V12 engine developed by Cosworth and in conjunction with RedBull Racing - the engine alone develops 1000bhp making it the most powerful naturally aspirated engine ever to make it to a production road car...and that's before the 900nm of hybrid torque and the 11,100 RPM rev limit! It's amazing to see the car take a massive step closer to it's production status and with this iteration the quality of the craftsmanship of the Valkyrie is really starting to show...
NEW Aston Martin AM-RB 003 Hypercar! FIRST LOOK
This is the new Aston Martin AM-RB 003 Hypercar! Aston once again in collaboration with RedBull Racing will be using a V6 twin turbo hybrid engine, four wheel drive and a very sophisticated carbon fibre monocoque with aerodynamics and downforce principles that have be carried over from the development of the Valkyrie hypercar...
Here Is The NEW Aston Martin Vanquish Vision Concept! First Look
Here is the Aston Martin Vanquish Vision Concept - a look at the 4th mid-engined supercar to be announced by Aston Martin and the last of the 4 mid engined cars to be produced. Positioned as Aston's entry level mid-engined supercar the Vanquish name is reborn in the form of a V6 hybrid supercar that will be rear wheel drive and designed to directly attack the likes of McLaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari in a space they have been dominant in for so long. The new Vanquish isn't expected to hit the road until 2022 so we have a while to wait before we see the first iteration of this exciting new addition to the Aston Martin product range.
The First FULLY OPERATING Aston Martin Valkyrie! (exclusive)
Finally here is a fully functioning Aston Martin Valkyrie complete with V12 engine and hybrid drive train! The Aston Martin Valkyrie Hypercar is powered by a naturally aspirated 6.5L V12 engine developed by Cosworth and in conjunction with RedBull Racing - the engine alone develops 1000bhp making it the most powerful naturally aspirated engine ever to make it to a production road car...and that's before the 900nm of hybrid torque and the 11,100 RPM rev limit! It's amazing to see the car take a massive step closer to it's production status and with this iteration the quality of the craftsmanship of the Valkyrie is really starting to show...
NEW Aston Martin AM-RB 003 Hypercar! FIRST LOOK
This is the new Aston Martin AM-RB 003 Hypercar! Aston once again in collaboration with RedBull Racing will be using a V6 twin turbo hybrid engine, four wheel drive and a very sophisticated carbon fibre monocoque with aerodynamics and downforce principles that have be carried over from the development of the Valkyrie hypercar...
Here Is The NEW Aston Martin Vanquish Vision Concept! First Look
Here is the Aston Martin Vanquish Vision Concept - a look at the 4th mid-engined supercar to be announced by Aston Martin and the last of the 4 mid engined cars to be produced. Positioned as Aston's entry level mid-engined supercar the Vanquish name is reborn in the form of a V6 hybrid supercar that will be rear wheel drive and designed to directly attack the likes of McLaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari in a space they have been dominant in for so long. The new Vanquish isn't expected to hit the road until 2022 so we have a while to wait before we see the first iteration of this exciting new addition to the Aston Martin product range.
OK, so leaving aside all the stuff that was 'launched' was I the only one that was surprised they didn't 'reveal' the DBX without all the lurid green camouflage wrapping? I would have thought that showing a car that there are people willing to buy (not me) was top of the agenda. Just seemed odd to show 3 (or was it 4 ) concept cars and not the one they've been banging on about for 2 or 3 years...
It's an interesting one - there's absolutely no question that Aston have stolen the show. DBX would have been a side story
For those who weren't already aware, it shows the complete picture of how valkyrie, F1 involvement, the personnel they have poached from rivals, RB003, etc will all help AML enter the mid engined production car arena with new vanquish with 'mid engine car pedigree' - you can see how hard they are trying for the series production car to really mimic styling cues from the hypercar big brothers which is very sensible
I'd argue that there is far more in common between the looks of vanquish prototype and it's hypercar relatives than say a typical ferrari hypercar (288 GTO aside) has to it's production car siblings
It's subjective but I think the new mid engined family looks great - it makes the new Ferrari launch look somewhat dull in comparison - no wonder they chose to launch that last week because it will barely get coverage at Geneva compared to Aston's mid engined reveals
Having said all that, whilst making great headlines and being really exciting, the fact remains that quite literally, all the news on the Aston stand, including Lagonda, is about concepts and cars coming to customers in 2021/22.
But if you don't have £1m+ to spend on a car and you want to buy an Aston, for the forseeable future it's DBS, DB11 and Vantage plus the various derivatives one assumes will launch shortly. All of which are suffering from the age old problems of oversupply and depreciation.
It almost feels like we are looking at two separate companies, one which makes very exciting, mostly limited, very expensive cars generating incredible profits for the factory and the speculators, whilst the other makes the cars you can buy, the latter already being available with steep discounts, certainly for dealer spec / used cars.
Lots of new customers have been attracted to Aston by the current range but when they suffer the same depreciation disappointment on trade-in, they may well leave the brand as quickly as they joined. This is a once in a generation opportunity for Aston to bring new buyers in and I just wish they had the money to fund a 2/3 yr plan to keep a grip on supply to get on top of the age old pricing problems. Instead one assumes the IPO has meant they have to pump out the cars as much as they possibly can to keep the sales figures looking attractive
For those who weren't already aware, it shows the complete picture of how valkyrie, F1 involvement, the personnel they have poached from rivals, RB003, etc will all help AML enter the mid engined production car arena with new vanquish with 'mid engine car pedigree' - you can see how hard they are trying for the series production car to really mimic styling cues from the hypercar big brothers which is very sensible
I'd argue that there is far more in common between the looks of vanquish prototype and it's hypercar relatives than say a typical ferrari hypercar (288 GTO aside) has to it's production car siblings
It's subjective but I think the new mid engined family looks great - it makes the new Ferrari launch look somewhat dull in comparison - no wonder they chose to launch that last week because it will barely get coverage at Geneva compared to Aston's mid engined reveals
Having said all that, whilst making great headlines and being really exciting, the fact remains that quite literally, all the news on the Aston stand, including Lagonda, is about concepts and cars coming to customers in 2021/22.
But if you don't have £1m+ to spend on a car and you want to buy an Aston, for the forseeable future it's DBS, DB11 and Vantage plus the various derivatives one assumes will launch shortly. All of which are suffering from the age old problems of oversupply and depreciation.
It almost feels like we are looking at two separate companies, one which makes very exciting, mostly limited, very expensive cars generating incredible profits for the factory and the speculators, whilst the other makes the cars you can buy, the latter already being available with steep discounts, certainly for dealer spec / used cars.
Lots of new customers have been attracted to Aston by the current range but when they suffer the same depreciation disappointment on trade-in, they may well leave the brand as quickly as they joined. This is a once in a generation opportunity for Aston to bring new buyers in and I just wish they had the money to fund a 2/3 yr plan to keep a grip on supply to get on top of the age old pricing problems. Instead one assumes the IPO has meant they have to pump out the cars as much as they possibly can to keep the sales figures looking attractive
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