Possible major problem in Wisconsin

Possible major problem in Wisconsin

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talladega

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37 posts

103 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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I just bought a G20 that was titled in North Carolina for about 10 years and then sold to a gentleman who titled it in Missouri. Today I tried to transfer the title and license it in Wisconsin and spent five hours at and on the phone with the DMV. After talking to six different agents it looks like Wisconsin will take my money to issue a title but will not license the car to be driven. They are insisting that I produce a copy of the ​Federal Certification Label or a ​Registered Importer label Does anyone have experience with this type of situation? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Brad.

talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Just a brief update. Final word from DMV this morning; they will issue a title ( for about $800 ) but they will not license the car to be street driven. I am pondering what if anything I can do next
Brad

jpf

1,312 posts

276 months

Thursday 14th March 2019
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I think you need to go in person to the DMV. Don't do it over the phone--they will give you the intellectually lazy response over the phone. If you aren't successful in person, ask for the supervisor.

They have no idea what a Ginetta is.

Also depends on the year on your title, etc. Was the original title for road use?

Grantura2a

101 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th March 2019
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These were not crash tested and certified. They were brought in as kits to the US. Ask DMV what the policy is for registering a home built vehicle.

talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Hello guys
Wisconsin has regional offices. I started at a large one of those. They of course did not recognize the VIN so they contacted the Research dept at headquarters. The answer from them was that I needed a photo of the Federal Certification Label. When I explained that there was no FCL because it was brought in as components and assembled in North Carolina then they wanted a Registered Importer Label. I then spoke to the individual that made this decision and there was no reasoning with him. I explained that the car was licensed and titled in two states previously - South Carolina and Missouri - and he said that Wisconsin insists that a car must meet Federal standards and it doesn't matter what other states do. I pointed out that every car show has dozens of cars with no FCL,but that meant nothing to him. Talked with him about Hobbyist Plates. See these rules
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Types of hobbyist vehicles

Street modified vehicles

Must be at least 20 model years old.
Can still be recognized as the original vehicle year and make.
Are altered from the original vehicle.
Are typically known as "hot rods" or "street rods".

(Obviously can't meet this because it is not 20 years old or modified.)

Replica vehicles

Must replicate a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are reproductions of vehicles originally made by another manufacturer. (Indicate the year and make that the vehicle replicates in Section A of the application.)

(Not a replica of another manufacturers car.)

Reconstructed vehicles

Are constructed from a vehicle at least 20 model years old.
Are no longer recognizable as the original vehicle.
If newly reconstructed, the application must include a bill of sale for all major parts used in the construction of the vehicle.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed.

( Not 20 years or unrecognizable.)

Homemade motorized vehicles

Must have been constructed from new or used parts with a body and frame not originating from or resembling a previously manufactured motor vehicle.
Homemade motorcycles must replicate a motorcycle 20 or more model years old.
May need an inspection by a Wisconsin State Patrol inspector. You will receive a letter requesting an inspection, if needed..

(His position is that it is originating from a manufactured motor vehicle.)

I do not know what else to say.
Thanks for any thoughts.
Brad

Grantura2a

101 posts

234 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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I think that you could stretch an argument that it is a replica of a G4, or G27 -33

talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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I tried. A manufacturer can't make a replica of their own model according to the state agent who made the rulings. Very frustrating. I'm trying to contact one of the companies that originally sold G20s to see if there was a waiver or some statute that applied when the car was built. I am pretty much beside myself with this whole situation. My only recourse is to send the clear title in and see what happens. This would cost $800 for sales tax, etc. and if they do not change the ruling the title will be classified non-conforming. I obviously am very reluctant to do this.
Brad

talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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Trying to get creative to solve my problem. What previous car does a Ginetta G20 look like so I can make a case that the G20 is a replica??? I know you guys can come up with some ideas.
Thanks

randlemarcus

13,524 posts

231 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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Are you emotionally commited to the car? Might be simpler to sell it on out of state, and get something else?

talladega

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37 posts

103 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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1) I wouldn't have bought the car if I didn't think it was interesting.

2) I have $600 in transportation costs.

3) I have to get a Wisconsin title before I can resell it and that title may be such that it negatively affects the value.

4) I do not feel like having some DMV character arbitrarily dictate what I can drive just because he can.

If that's too "emotionally invested" for you then so be it.

Grantura2a

101 posts

234 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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All sorts of late 50s sports racers have similarities. Lister Jag, D type, XKSS

randlemarcus

13,524 posts

231 months

Monday 18th March 2019
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talladega said:
1) I wouldn't have bought the car if I didn't think it was interesting.

2) I have $600 in transportation costs.

3) I have to get a Wisconsin title before I can resell it and that title may be such that it negatively affects the value.

4) I do not feel like having some DMV character arbitrarily dictate what I can drive just because he can.

If that's too "emotionally invested" for you then so be it.
No, I get it, was just looking for a way out. \ would it be possible to talk to the guy who sold it to you, and see if he's open to undoing the deal? Dont let point 4 become a principle - it could be more pragmatic to take a small loss if the DMV person is doing what the law, and the practical application of that law demands, and the end result is that your car simply wont be road-legal.

Of course, your individual circumstances may be such that you are prepared for a Bill Gates and his 959 effort, in which case, have fun.

talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Hi everyone
Just a quick update. I have not received my title back yet but plates for the Ginetta were in the mail today. The classification is Hobbyist so I am good to put the car on the road.
Brad

lezdix

484 posts

156 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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talladega said:
Hi everyone
Just a quick update. I have not received my title back yet but plates for the Ginetta were in the mail today. The classification is Hobbyist so I am good to put the car on the road.
Brad
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talladega

Original Poster:

37 posts

103 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Thanks