Arrest Or be Sacked!
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Found this gem in "Bolton Evening News" (18/05/05)
Edward Chadwick reports:
Sure have some strange standards based on past highly publicised media BiB bash cases (best of Wildy 
) of the past - the drunk driving cop and the one who tried to pervert course of justice in a hit and run - and kept his job, the partying cops who charged it allup on expenses (MEN headlines about a month ago), the drivers who claimed sick pay and ran a driving school whilst "on the sick"... 
PC Hunt is rightly concerned, however, when he says that this target culture is alienating local communities in Manchester and risks further damaging fragile relations between police and the public.
Wonder what kind of targets the scammers have ....
>> Edited by Mad Moggie on Thursday 19th May 01:03
Edward Chadwick reports:
B.E.N said:
Speaking at the Police Federation Q&A session in Blackpool yesterday, PC Hunt (chairman of the Contatabularies branch for the Police Federation) - claimed that he and his colleagues could be sacked or fined unless they arrest or caution 4 people per month.
He said the arrests should be for burglary, vandalism, car crime ...
However, this officer (based at Tameside per the paper) of 25 years' experience warns that these targets are reuslting in people being arrested for more serious crimes than they committed - and cites example of a drunk and disorderly facing a more serious public order offence. He says it has created a target culture withing the GMP force.
He is reported as continuing to say that if officers failed to meet these targets - they face disciplinary action and could even be dismissed from the force. He warns that this target is to increas to six per month in near future.
Chief Constable Todd told the paper that no officer has been sacked for failing to meet targets and said that targets are set in order to hold the officers ot account and ensure a good service is provided for the community. There were provisions for dealing with unsafisfactory performance in GMP
Sure have some strange standards based on past highly publicised media BiB bash cases (best of Wildy ) of the past - the drunk driving cop and the one who tried to pervert course of justice in a hit and run - and kept his job, the partying cops who charged it allup on expenses (MEN headlines about a month ago), the drivers who claimed sick pay and ran a driving school whilst "on the sick"... PC Hunt is rightly concerned, however, when he says that this target culture is alienating local communities in Manchester and risks further damaging fragile relations between police and the public.
Wonder what kind of targets the scammers have .... >> Edited by Mad Moggie on Thursday 19th May 01:03
Lots of them - targets everywhere - in hospitals, schools, police... Ah but! they haven't seen our local police car delivering hanging baskets. 
I kid you not, they'll be 'round again soon!
Oh, maybe the police should visit their neighbouring forces in unmarked cars to police the speeding, drink driving etc of the livered cars on night duty, should get their quota easily.
MMmm! I'll tell you a little story, keep it to yourself Mad Moggie SShh!
Some years ago an expensive Hi-Fi shop was ram-raided by a van late at night. A little later a police car arrived and not realising that they were being watched (the houses opposite are cosiderably higher) they filled the boot of the police car with equipment.
Obviously they did this to protect it from theft God Blees 'em eh?
I kid you not, they'll be 'round again soon! Oh, maybe the police should visit their neighbouring forces in unmarked cars to police the speeding, drink driving etc of the livered cars on night duty, should get their quota easily.
MMmm! I'll tell you a little story, keep it to yourself Mad Moggie SShh!
Some years ago an expensive Hi-Fi shop was ram-raided by a van late at night. A little later a police car arrived and not realising that they were being watched (the houses opposite are cosiderably higher) they filled the boot of the police car with equipment.
Obviously they did this to protect it from theft
God Blees 'em eh? Feel desperately sorry for our good BiB, who are managed by morons.
This kind of thing is utterly predictable.
Isn't the ultimate target of the Police to have no-one arrested, but to stop crime happening in the first place ?
I know it's impractical, but it says much about how these managers see the jobs of the Police. It could be argued that under such a system it is detrimental to the Police to stop crime from happening ....
This kind of thing is utterly predictable.
Isn't the ultimate target of the Police to have no-one arrested, but to stop crime happening in the first place ?
I know it's impractical, but it says much about how these managers see the jobs of the Police. It could be argued that under such a system it is detrimental to the Police to stop crime from happening ....
Don't agree with the policy, but if you can't arrest 4 people in a month there is something wrong with your working levels.
Normally, at least six arrests are made during a week of nights alone. This is for substantive offences too.
If an officer of mine couldn't manage more than 4 a month then I would be having a chat with him/her.
The average for my team is lot more than four.
Normally, at least six arrests are made during a week of nights alone. This is for substantive offences too.
If an officer of mine couldn't manage more than 4 a month then I would be having a chat with him/her.
The average for my team is lot more than four.
autismuk said:
Feel desperately sorry for our good BiB, who are managed by morons.
This kind of thing is utterly predictable.
Isn't the ultimate target of the Police to have no-one arrested, but to stop crime happening in the first place ?
I know it's impractical, but it says much about how these managers see the jobs of the Police. It could be argued that under such a system it is detrimental to the Police to stop crime from happening ....
Yes autismuk, it would be fantastic to have zero arrests due to crime being averted or immediately detected. And yes, I echo your sentiments. My father always says that if we were too good at our job, we would have no work........
James - you are quite right of course. I would expect the arrest rate of a young PC in a busy station to be high, compared to say a rural beat Officer. But even so, in my experience I've seen good "thief takers" move to low crime quiet rural stations and they single handedly arrest more people than the rest of the nick put together.
Even in low crime areas, you have travelling criminals, drugs issues, drunk drivers, disqualified drivers etc... Left to the lazy Officer such crimes go un-noticed, undetected and unrecorded. Put a proactive switched on Officer in there and arrests can easily be made.
Even in low crime areas, you have travelling criminals, drugs issues, drunk drivers, disqualified drivers etc... Left to the lazy Officer such crimes go un-noticed, undetected and unrecorded. Put a proactive switched on Officer in there and arrests can easily be made.
xxplod said:
James - you are quite right of course. I would expect the arrest rate of a young PC in a busy station to be high, compared to say a rural beat Officer. But even so, in my experience I've seen good "thief takers" move to low crime quiet rural stations and they single handedly arrest more people than the rest of the nick put together.
Even in low crime areas, you have travelling criminals, drugs issues, drunk drivers, disqualified drivers etc... Left to the lazy Officer such crimes go un-noticed, undetected and unrecorded. Put a proactive switched on Officer in there and arrests can easily be made.
But they still go un-noticed....as we do not see BiBs on beat as we used to....Manchester ist large area und there are pockets such as Hulme, Moss Side, Wythenshawe, parts of Salford where I should imagine most of their arrests are made. Und these will travel to the leafy 'burbs und burglarise houses there - but are never copped.
But deployment .. what if BiB ist desk jockey? Or ist tied to desk instead of on beat? Und we all know we are not seeing Pandas, Trafposl, bobbies on beat/bike as we did. (We did see slight increase before election - but back to normal zero now ...
Und we never see them in "low crime areas" anyway... und I live in such area of Cumbria....where only "crime" appears to be passing a talivan a bit sharpish... There are of course pockets of mayhem in Cumbria as everywhere else... Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff