Engaging, but not too quick car !
Engaging, but not too quick car !
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underphil

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1,352 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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I've been toying with various ideas recently, conclusion is I want to get something that is engaging & 'fun' to drive

I do about 3-400 miles a week, but can use the family Mazda 6 Auto most days if I want to, so there aren't many constraints of practicality etc. The things I think are important to me are:

Manual gearbox (ideally with fairly short ratios in the lower gears)
Engine that has some character, and ideally likes revs
Not too quick - I like to be able to thrash it a bit without going antisocially fast

Budget is a range from £3K and high running costs to £9K and very low running costs

Any ideas ???

designforlife

3,742 posts

192 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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EP3 Honda civic type R?

Quick (but not "fast" by modern standards), reliable, fantastic engine, great value at the moment. Practical enough to use every day, and the fuel consumption for the performance is actually really decent.

Swap out the EPAS for the hydraulic setup from the DC5 if you want a bit more feel in the steering.

CousinDupree

808 posts

96 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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E90 330i N52. Great fun and a lovely engine. Avoid the later N53 though.

WhatHappenedThere

268 posts

90 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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MX......5

underphil

Original Poster:

1,352 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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designforlife said:
EP3 Honda civic type R?

Quick (but not "fast" by modern standards), reliable, fantastic engine, great value at the moment. Practical enough to use every day, and the fuel consumption for the performance is actually really decent.

Swap out the EPAS for the hydraulic setup from the DC5 if you want a bit more feel in the steering.
I think I'd like the engine a lot (although still a bit on the quick side for me!) - not sure if they look a bit too boy-racery for me though. Didn't realise they had EPAS.

FN2 could be an option, I've always quite liked how they look, even if they're not meant to be as polished dynamically

Mr E

23,033 posts

288 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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WhatHappenedThere said:
MX......5
This.
Or similar. Probably won’t stretch to an Elise, but a VX220 might be in range.

designforlife

3,742 posts

192 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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The ride on the FN2 is pretty horrendous on standard suspension, I think it would get old fairly quickly using it more than just once or twice a week.

MX5 would probably tick the boxes, owned one for 5 years, and they are characterful little things. Just watch out for rust!!!

underphil

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239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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CousinDupree said:
E90 330i N52. Great fun and a lovely engine. Avoid the later N53 though.
I had an N52 125i coupe (mapped to 130i), the engine sounded great and made the car, but that aside wasn't all that impressed (felt like it had a heavy flywheel?), jittery rear suspension. Either way, 260 odd bhp is too much for me - did they do the E9x with the 2.5 N52??

underphil

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239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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WhatHappenedThere said:
MX......5
I'm liking this idea - which then becomes a question of which one ??


schmunk

4,399 posts

154 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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There are some leggy Toyota GT86s available within your budget - not sure on running costs.

CousinDupree

808 posts

96 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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underphil said:
I had an N52 125i coupe (mapped to 130i), the engine sounded great and made the car, but that aside wasn't all that impressed (felt like it had a heavy flywheel?), jittery rear suspension. Either way, 260 odd bhp is too much for me - did they do the E9x with the 2.5 N52??
The 3 series models with M Sport suspension were quite well resolved once you dump the runflats and run 18" or smaller wheels. Way better handling / ride compromise than the 1 series or Z4 (non M). I don't think the E9x 2.5 N52 had the DISA manifold, so even tuned, they don't make max power close to the red line.

The gearing is quite long on all of them. Up your budget a little and you can get an early leggy GT86. That's at least as good to drive as an E30 M3.

designforlife

3,742 posts

192 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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underphil said:
I'm liking this idea - which then becomes a question of which one ??
mk1 for the purist, mk2 for the slightly more refined drive, mk3 for the ford enthusiast!!



Torquey

1,956 posts

257 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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If you're happy with an MX5 I'd probably take one of them before these 2:



Drew106

1,652 posts

174 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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Spoiled for choice really.

MX5 has to be the top option, unless you need more practicality, then there's any number of warm/hot hatches.

EP3 Type R
Fiesta ST
Swift Sport
Clio 182/197
Cooper S

underphil

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1,352 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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designforlife said:
underphil said:
I'm liking this idea - which then becomes a question of which one ??
mk1 for the purist, mk2 for the slightly more refined drive, mk3 for the ford enthusiast!!
haha, I thought the engine in the NC was Mazda's work? and Ford then went and stuck a Duratec badge on it

Kewy

1,464 posts

123 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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£9k will get you a DC5 / JDM EPS / Accord Euro R (All three have the same K20A engine coupled with 6 speed short ratio box and LSD).

Failing that, a Clio or Megane RS?

underphil

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239 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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Lots of useful suggestions, thanks all

GT86 - I had one a few years ago, was the only car I had access to and was a bit compromised as a daily driver, but I do miss it still !! (maybe made me drive like an idiot though!).

Yes, the Swift Sport has been one I'm really keen to try

The Z4 makes a lot of sense too: In reality there a lot of cars on the road where I live, even on the back roads I use. Maybe a droptop with a great sounding engine will be the type of car that will give the most thrilling experience in the real world where I can't go quick very often



james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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I was going to say MX5 or Boxster, but the mileage per week is quite high, you'll be spending quite a bit on fuel...

HustleRussell

26,489 posts

189 months

Thursday 21st March 2019
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How important is ride to you? BMWs, Hondas Suzuki don’t score well there.

Out of curiosity, how is the ride in a GT86, Boxster, S2000?