Every Aston beyond 2022 will be pointless
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I always try to drive considerately. I’ll ovetake 40mph dawdlers on 60mph open country lanes where safe (typically only for them to catch up with me in a 30mph limit area... 
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But if this speed limit legislation comes into play from 2022, what’s the point of an Aston?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415
...or anything other than a Fiesta?
Overtaking will become life-threatening overnight. Or virtually impossible on a country lane. You can’t safely overtake a 40mph car if you can’t momentarily exceed 60mph as the number of straights aren’t that abundant.
I suppose 40-60mph stats could become the new 0-60?
Nobody wants anybody hurt on the road. But first we need to get rid of the idiots who can’t control a car at 2/3rd of the speed limit.
I’ll stick with my “old” Vantage, thanks, and use my own judgement and be aware of the consequences. Liberty, and all that...
).But if this speed limit legislation comes into play from 2022, what’s the point of an Aston?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415
...or anything other than a Fiesta?
Overtaking will become life-threatening overnight. Or virtually impossible on a country lane. You can’t safely overtake a 40mph car if you can’t momentarily exceed 60mph as the number of straights aren’t that abundant.
I suppose 40-60mph stats could become the new 0-60?
Nobody wants anybody hurt on the road. But first we need to get rid of the idiots who can’t control a car at 2/3rd of the speed limit.
I’ll stick with my “old” Vantage, thanks, and use my own judgement and be aware of the consequences. Liberty, and all that...
Let’s hope it’s just a beeper thing. With all the GPS data and connectivity, it’s only a bit of software away from being actively monitored.
Why have physical speed cameras if every millimetre of road can be actively monitored? The revenue — sorry, safety benefits — will be tempting for any government.
Worse still is the insurance business working out premiums based on past year “performance”.
Ug!
Why have physical speed cameras if every millimetre of road can be actively monitored? The revenue — sorry, safety benefits — will be tempting for any government.
Worse still is the insurance business working out premiums based on past year “performance”.
Ug!
Some insider knowledge on this, following a seminar I attended a couple of weeks ago (boring work stuff). The TSRGD has recently been overhauled, with the view of updating it for the world we live in, because the foundation of it goes back to when motorways were first introduced, and cars have changed and the way transport operates has evolved. At present it's city centres being looked at from the point of view of vehicle autonomy and cars being able to read road markings / traffic signs and the like.
In order to push forward with autonomous vehicles and removing the driver from the equation, there's a level of infrastructure spend required that dwarfs the shortfall we currently have where there's rarely enough money available to maintain the existing road network, let alone improve or upgrade it for a fundamentally different method of travel.
It's a strange time in the automotive world, and from a roads perspective, the perceived lack of maintenance is actually a thorn in the side of progress with self driving cars, because the longer we have old style roads without rib lines and clearly defined road markings everywhere, the longer self driving cars will be warded off. So a driving enthusiast might want an improved road network, but not one so improved it can be upgraded for autonomous vehicles...
What the article linked to above doesn't talk about (and something I'm not clear on), is whether there's a threshold in terms of build numbers that stipulates regulatory requirements for speed limiters etc.
In order to push forward with autonomous vehicles and removing the driver from the equation, there's a level of infrastructure spend required that dwarfs the shortfall we currently have where there's rarely enough money available to maintain the existing road network, let alone improve or upgrade it for a fundamentally different method of travel.
It's a strange time in the automotive world, and from a roads perspective, the perceived lack of maintenance is actually a thorn in the side of progress with self driving cars, because the longer we have old style roads without rib lines and clearly defined road markings everywhere, the longer self driving cars will be warded off. So a driving enthusiast might want an improved road network, but not one so improved it can be upgraded for autonomous vehicles...
What the article linked to above doesn't talk about (and something I'm not clear on), is whether there's a threshold in terms of build numbers that stipulates regulatory requirements for speed limiters etc.
One aspect concerning adherance to every speed limit and automatic self driving vehicles.
When there is traffic stalemate amongst school congestion, or perhaps in a very narrow Devon lane, will any of the autonomous vehicles have been programmed to begin reversing, or will they all continue to wait, in the mistaken belief that the blockage ahead will eventually clear?
Man I'm bored of having to write this in the past two days...
The speed limiting system will be able to be switched off, just like Auto Stop/Start, Lane Departure Assist etc and all those other systems.
It WILL NOT be on permanently (yet). As newer cars have more configurable screens, you'll be able to put shortcuts on the main screen, and it'll be a simple case of get in and press Start Stop off, speed limiter off, lane departure assist off. Then away you go.
There may be a time when it is mandatory to be on all the time but they cannot do that at the moment for a huge number of reasons too complex to list.
The speed limiting system will be able to be switched off, just like Auto Stop/Start, Lane Departure Assist etc and all those other systems.
It WILL NOT be on permanently (yet). As newer cars have more configurable screens, you'll be able to put shortcuts on the main screen, and it'll be a simple case of get in and press Start Stop off, speed limiter off, lane departure assist off. Then away you go.
There may be a time when it is mandatory to be on all the time but they cannot do that at the moment for a huge number of reasons too complex to list.
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thouse.....plain and simple
That aside, what when I want to track my car, or rag the arse out of it on private land, how does that work ?
They can't say that satellites will know exactly where I am. My bloody phone doesn't know where I am half the time, let alone a car
So if this moves on and speeding drastically starts to reduce, where are they going to raise revenue that they get from all the speeding fines, and how about the fortunes they have pumped into average speed cameras and all that ste ?
Update - Just read Beefmeisters post....ignore me
thouse.....plain and simpleThat aside, what when I want to track my car, or rag the arse out of it on private land, how does that work ?
They can't say that satellites will know exactly where I am. My bloody phone doesn't know where I am half the time, let alone a car
So if this moves on and speeding drastically starts to reduce, where are they going to raise revenue that they get from all the speeding fines, and how about the fortunes they have pumped into average speed cameras and all that s
te ?Update - Just read Beefmeisters post....ignore me
Edited by Big Ry on Wednesday 27th March 12:43
Sounds like this day as described below could be becoming ever closer ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U
Big Ry said:
sthouse.....plain and simple
That aside, what when I want to track my car, or rag the arse out of it on private land, how does that work ?
They can't say that satellites will know exactly where I am. My bloody phone doesn't know where I am half the time, let alone a car
So if this moves on and speeding drastically starts to reduce, where are they going to raise revenue that they get from all the speeding fines, and how about the fortunes they have pumped into average speed cameras and all that ste ?
In practical terms, it's similar to adaptive cruise control and traffic sign recognition systems (linked to GPS) already in use (BMW and Audi for example). Things like lane departure systems rely on decent quality road markings, hence my mention above of needing a big spend up front on infrastructure.thouse.....plain and simpleThat aside, what when I want to track my car, or rag the arse out of it on private land, how does that work ?
They can't say that satellites will know exactly where I am. My bloody phone doesn't know where I am half the time, let alone a car
So if this moves on and speeding drastically starts to reduce, where are they going to raise revenue that they get from all the speeding fines, and how about the fortunes they have pumped into average speed cameras and all that s
te ?Linked to this - mentioned on The Grand Tour last week, the Beemer M850i (was it that or 840, cant remember) struggled on track as clipping an apex caused the car's on-board lane departure system to steer the car away from the white line
Going way back, I recall when the Nissan GT-R first launched, in Japan it had the token speed limiter fitted, but it detected when it was at a racetrack and turned itself off (meaning 112mph cap became 190 odd).
Beefmeister said:
Man I'm bored of having to write this in the past two days...
The speed limiting system will be able to be switched off, just like Auto Stop/Start, Lane Departure Assist etc and all those other systems.
It WILL NOT be on permanently (yet). As newer cars have more configurable screens, you'll be able to put shortcuts on the main screen, and it'll be a simple case of get in and press Start Stop off, speed limiter off, lane departure assist off. Then away you go.
There may be a time when it is mandatory to be on all the time but they cannot do that at the moment for a huge number of reasons too complex to list.
All of which is fine... Until - You have a prang, or someone prangs into you, police or crash investigators check the log of whether the limiter was deactivated, and Bob's your uncle, you are considered guilty irrespective of anything else, and dependent on the terms of your policy, uninsured. It really isn't a big leap to any of that.The speed limiting system will be able to be switched off, just like Auto Stop/Start, Lane Departure Assist etc and all those other systems.
It WILL NOT be on permanently (yet). As newer cars have more configurable screens, you'll be able to put shortcuts on the main screen, and it'll be a simple case of get in and press Start Stop off, speed limiter off, lane departure assist off. Then away you go.
There may be a time when it is mandatory to be on all the time but they cannot do that at the moment for a huge number of reasons too complex to list.
abzmike said:
All of which is fine... Until - You have a prang, or someone prangs into you, police or crash investigators check the log of whether the limiter was deactivated, and Bob's your uncle, you are considered guilty irrespective of anything else, and dependent on the terms of your policy, uninsured. It really isn't a big leap to any of that.
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