Parish Council Elections
Parish Council Elections
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jinkster

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2,419 posts

186 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Is anyone running for Parish Councillor this year ? My forms are in and awaiting next stages.

overunder12g

432 posts

116 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Not sure what Parish councils actually achieve.

StevieBee

15,337 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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overunder12g said:
Not sure what Parish councils actually achieve.
First rung of political representation. They can make sure your kids have a park to play in. They can stop over-development - and enable development where needed. They can exert influence on transport issues and roads to benefit you or protect you. They can influence bad planning applications and generally, keep the place where you live a decent place to live in.

They may not have much power but they do have influence. If you had an issue that needed sorting, the chances are your Parish Council would be more effective than your Borough or County Councillor and most probably even your MP.

Like all things, some are better than others but are an important part of the British system of governance that dates back hundreds of years.


ApOrbital

10,588 posts

148 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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The first rule of Parish councils is do not talk about it.

Spare tyre

12,571 posts

160 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Ours have just signed off money for dog poo fairy stickers

sparkythecat

8,098 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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StevieBee said:
First rung of political representation. They can make sure your kids have a park to play in. They can stop over-development - and enable development where needed. They can exert influence on transport issues and roads to benefit you or protect you. They can influence bad planning applications and generally, keep the place where you live a decent place to live in.

They may not have much power but they do have influence. If you had an issue that needed sorting, the chances are your Parish Council would be more effective than your Borough or County Councillor and most probably even your MP.

Like all things, some are better than others but are an important part of the British system of governance that dates back hundreds of years.
That's the theory, but the reality can be somewhat different.

The level of influence really depends on0how big and your Parish is, how motivated and enthusiastic your councillors are and whether any of their number are in same lodges or clubs as the really important key local decision makers.


essayer

10,410 posts

224 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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We rarely have elections, seem to be coopted mainly.

That said, it all kicked off last year - accusations of nepotism, so twenty people wrote asking for an election, one was duly called .. one year later, people are complaining that the parish duty precept has gone up - mainly because it had to run the election hehe

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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sparkythecat said:
StevieBee said:
First rung of political representation. They can make sure your kids have a park to play in. They can stop over-development - and enable development where needed. They can exert influence on transport issues and roads to benefit you or protect you. They can influence bad planning applications and generally, keep the place where you live a decent place to live in.

They may not have much power but they do have influence. If you had an issue that needed sorting, the chances are your Parish Council would be more effective than your Borough or County Councillor and most probably even your MP.

Like all things, some are better than others but are an important part of the British system of governance that dates back hundreds of years.
That's the theory, but the reality can be somewhat different.

The level of influence really depends on how big and your Parish is, how motivated and enthusiastic your councillors are and whether any of their number are in same lodges or clubs as the really important key local decision makers.
I agree. I was a councillor in a village with a 11,000 population and the council was little more than a talking shop. It was at district and county levels that the overwhelming majority of decisions were made and though the parish council's views were taken into account, they were often discounted.

Most parish council business is 'low level'; listening to complaints of vandalism, fly tipping, graffiti and so on; they have limited influence and few resources. Planning applications, large and small, were decided elsewhere; local policies on roads, education, housing, recycling, regeneration etc. likewise.

I was also a district councillor, on that council's planing board and sat on county-wide committees for services such as waste management, strategic planning. Being a parish councillor was the least satisfying and most frustrating of all my roles.

Roofless Toothless

7,575 posts

162 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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There are 13 councillors on my Parish Council. Six of them are married couples. This sounds a very cosy arrangement to me.

RedWhiteMonkey

9,132 posts

212 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Isn't a village with a population of 11,000 actually a town? Must be a big village.

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
Isn't a village with a population of 11,000 actually a town? Must be a big village.
Some are considerably larger, over 15,000.

miniman

30,075 posts

292 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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I did a 7-year stint and eventually stepped down when it became abundantly clear that the other councillors didn’t actually want to achieve anything. Under the Chair who was in place when I joined (in his circa 20-year service) a huge amount was achieved - physical improvements to facilities and sensible, proportionate, in-keeping development.

His replacement took the role just as a planning application for land behind his house came up, then quit literally hours after “we” had successfully got it thrown out. The current chair likes the sound of his own voice and is firmly in the no-outsiders camp. The current PC has even fallen out with the Church because, despite none of them going to Church, they object to having an AV screen in there.

Essentially it can become a full-on NIMBY team which is a shame because if the same amount of energy was put into achieving something positive, rather than blocking everything, a lot could be done.

In terms of actual influence, it’s exceptionally limited in my view. If it takes the view of accepting that planning applications and so forth are going to get decided elsewhere and gets behind getting the most for the village from such developments via Section 106 etc. it can achieve more than by trying to block everything, but that mindset change seems to be virtually impossible.

So

28,176 posts

252 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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StevieBee said:
overunder12g said:
Not sure what Parish councils actually achieve.
First rung of political representation. They can make sure your kids have a park to play in. They can stop over-development - and enable development where needed. They can exert influence on transport issues and roads to benefit you or protect you. They can influence bad planning applications and generally, keep the place where you live a decent place to live in.

They may not have much power but they do have influence. If you had an issue that needed sorting, the chances are your Parish Council would be more effective than your Borough or County Councillor and most probably even your MP.

Like all things, some are better than others but are an important part of the British system of governance that dates back hundreds of years.
Our PC comprises people who really shouldn't have any power or influence over anything, which happily they don't.


StevieBee

15,337 posts

285 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Riley Blue said:
sparkythecat said:
StevieBee said:
First rung of political representation. They can make sure your kids have a park to play in. They can stop over-development - and enable development where needed. They can exert influence on transport issues and roads to benefit you or protect you. They can influence bad planning applications and generally, keep the place where you live a decent place to live in.

They may not have much power but they do have influence. If you had an issue that needed sorting, the chances are your Parish Council would be more effective than your Borough or County Councillor and most probably even your MP.

Like all things, some are better than others but are an important part of the British system of governance that dates back hundreds of years.
That's the theory, but the reality can be somewhat different.

The level of influence really depends on how big and your Parish is, how motivated and enthusiastic your councillors are and whether any of their number are in same lodges or clubs as the really important key local decision makers.
I agree. I was a councillor in a village with a 11,000 population and the council was little more than a talking shop. It was at district and county levels that the overwhelming majority of decisions were made and though the parish council's views were taken into account, they were often discounted.
As I say, some are better than others. Much also depends on the level of involvement residents play in their local issues and their awareness of the presence and purpose of the Parish Council. Most of my UK work is for Local Authorities (promoting local waste services) and it has long struck me as odd just how few people really understand the nature of how their locality is governed; unable to distinguish the difference between a borough and county council, for example. Many people think a Parish Council is something to do with the local Church. In the absence of any meaningful community involvement, Parish Councils tend to facilitate things for those engaged in Parish business and are thus seen as self-serving ineffective.

Over the years, our Parish Council has been successful in getting two much needed mini-roundabouts installed, raised the funding for an out-door gym, installed a community herb garden, re-introduced a Post Office into the village and stopped a development that would have doubled the size of the village and at the same time opened a vast area of green land for public access.

TooLateForAName

4,930 posts

214 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Riley Blue said:
I agree. I was a councillor in a village with a 11,000 population and the council was little more than a talking shop. It was at district and county levels that the overwhelming majority of decisions were made and though the parish council's views were taken into account, they were often discounted.

Most parish council business is 'low level'; listening to complaints of vandalism, fly tipping, graffiti and so on; they have limited influence and few resources. Planning applications, large and small, were decided elsewhere; local policies on roads, education, housing, recycling, regeneration etc. likewise.

I was also a district councillor, on that council's planing board and sat on county-wide committees for services such as waste management, strategic planning. Being a parish councillor was the least satisfying and most frustrating of all my roles.
Agreed.

Parish Councils rarely have any actual power to acheive much, but tend to be the first place people complain. You can find far too much time being taken up with stupid neighbours bickering.
Vandalism and fly-tipping? Yes but you missed the big one - dog st.

What they can do is act as an organiser for local dissent. I think that the thing I did that had most long term benefit was getting people to understand how to object to development - stop the 'it will devalue my house and spoil my view' and start 'doesn't meet policy because...'

I think that how much a pc can influence stuff might depend on how tenuous the disctrict/county councillors and MPs grip on power is. In our area there is no chance of anyone other than a conservative being elected, so there isn't much leverage.

Ziplobb

1,609 posts

314 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Roofless Toothless said:
There are 13 councillors on my Parish Council. Six of them are married couples. This sounds a very cosy arrangement to me.
swingers - do they have pampas grass in their front gardens ?

Roofless Toothless

7,575 posts

162 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Ziplobb said:
Roofless Toothless said:
There are 13 councillors on my Parish Council. Six of them are married couples. This sounds a very cosy arrangement to me.
swingers - do they have pampas grass in their front gardens ?
You can go first. smile

http://www.greatbaddowparishcouncil.co.uk/meet-the...


bobtail4x4

4,411 posts

139 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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"the greater good" anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnqPrDN77Xg

Edited by bobtail4x4 on Thursday 4th April 09:45

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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bobtail4x4 said:
"the greater good" anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnqPrDN77Xg

Edited by bobtail4x4 on Thursday 4th April 09:45
Filmed in Wells, not a million miles from where I was a councillor and strangely close to reality too. laugh

Smitters

4,416 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th April 2019
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Roofless Toothless said:
I like that Peter is also in the SAS.