RE: Noble proves 159mph is safe
Friday 20th May 2005
Noble M400, top speed 185mphAs if you needed proof, there's now no question about it: driving at 159mph won't kill you. The fact has been demonstrated by Central TV which organised for a Noble M400 to be driven round the high-speed circuit at MIRA with Dave Allton, one of MIRA's professionally trained test drivers, at the wheel.
Noble proves 159mph is safe
Stunt makes point on MIRA test track
Noble M400, top speed 185mph
This followed the court case involving a Shropshire police officer who allegedly filmed himself on the M54 at a speed of 159 mph -- see link to report below.
Central TV aired its video report last night.
Discussion
pesmo said:
Yes but a Noble at MIRA ain't a Vectra on the highstreet is it. You could probably even take your hands off the wheel at MIRA at 150+ mph, so steep is the banking.
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
>> Edited by pesmo on Friday 20th May 12:11
erm.... that its perfectly safe to do 159mph when the car is setup to do it.
mmmm...
pdV6 said:
pdV6 said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
your point being?
My point is that they have proven that travelling at 160mph in these conditions, in that car, on an empty test track, with a professional driver won't kill you.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with driving at that speed on a public highway.
Therefore their little adventure is absolutely pointless. They might as well have filmed a formula one race for all its worth.
funkyrobot said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
Same as on an empty motorway (M54) at 3 am.
Glad they let the guy off irrespective of the "unfairness" of it all.
He didnt drive dangerously, he drove above a limit sign. Thats all.
pesmo said:
Yes but a Noble at MIRA ain't a Vectra on the highstreet is it. You could probably even take your hands off the wheel at MIRA at 150+ mph, so steep is the banking.
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
>> Edited by pesmo on Friday 20th May 12:11
and miss the you have have as m8, speeding = deaths were told constantly told so why are there doing their praccy on the public roads and not using the same test track?, truth be known their up to something yet again, but expert trained driver or, the very best racijhg drivers ultimately alway crash so what does that say for "PC 159mph" well if hes that good why are the F1 teams not going through their uasula cat fight to get him signed up...
funkyrobot said:Speed Kills? Proven? Not!
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
your point being?
My point is that they have proven that travelling at 160mph in these conditions, in that car, on an empty test track, with a professional driver won't kill you.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with driving at that speed on a public highway.
Therefore their little adventure is absolutely pointless. They might as well have filmed a formula one race for all its worth.
funkyrobot said:
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
your point being?
My point is that they have proven that travelling at 160mph in these conditions, in that car, on an empty test track, with a professional driver won't kill you.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with driving at that speed on a public highway.
Therefore their little adventure is absolutely pointless. They might as well have filmed a formula one race for all its worth.
Read up a bit on this topic before spouting utter tosh.
speed DOES NOT KILL.
160 on a m'way is NOT dangerous. End of.
mondeoman said:
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
your point being?
My point is that they have proven that travelling at 160mph in these conditions, in that car, on an empty test track, with a professional driver won't kill you.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with driving at that speed on a public highway.
Therefore their little adventure is absolutely pointless. They might as well have filmed a formula one race for all its worth.
Read up a bit on this topic before spouting utter tosh.
speed DOES NOT KILL.
160 on a m'way is NOT dangerous. End of.
Erm, when did I say in my posts that speed does kill in this topic??
Where have I said that what PC Milton did was deadly in my posts on this topic?
I was merely commenting that the little adventure with the Noble actually proves nothing when relating to Milton's little thrash. Different car, driver, circumstances and setting.
I think it is you who needs to read things properly.
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 20th May 12:45
Tog said:
The Guardian also had a go
Intresting comment on the last line of that ... seems the Guardian journo enjoyed the speed rush!
That is the point I was kind of making. The two situations are so completely different, that any comparison of the two is pointless. Any petrolhead knows already that given the right circumstances 160 mph is safe. I was just slightly confused at the way this was being trumpeted; as if it was the first time anyone had ever driven at this speed and survived 
>> Edited by pesmo on Friday 20th May 12:59
>> Edited by pesmo on Friday 20th May 12:59
funkyrobot said:
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
funkyrobot said:
pdV6 said:
pesmo said:
Exactly what were they trying to prove with this stunt ?
That speed does not, in fact, kill.
.... on an empty test track, with a suitable car for the speed and a suitable driver.
your point being?
My point is that they have proven that travelling at 160mph in these conditions, in that car, on an empty test track, with a professional driver won't kill you.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with driving at that speed on a public highway.
Therefore their little adventure is absolutely pointless. They might as well have filmed a formula one race for all its worth.
Read up a bit on this topic before spouting utter tosh.
speed DOES NOT KILL.
160 on a m'way is NOT dangerous. End of.
Erm, when did I say in my posts that speed does kill in this topic??
Where have I said that what PC Milton did was deadly in my posts on this topic?
I was merely commenting that the little adventure with the Noble actually proves nothing when relating to Milton's little thrash. Different car, driver, circumstances and setting.
I think it is you who needs to read things properly.
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 20th May 12:45
No, but what it does prove is that speed does not result DIRECTLY in death. It proves that under the right conditions, travelling at faster speeds does not directly result in death. This is just an extreme case of it and does have a direct bearing on real life situations.
I'm not saying the speed limit should be 160mph but you get the idea
pesmo said:
given the right circumstances 160 mph is safe
Surely *this* is exactly the point they were making, that 160 mph is not *inherently* dangerous so we should not jump to conclusions about the PC. I do agree that 160 mph on the MIRA test track is probably safer than 160 mph on public roads, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what the PC did was unsafe.
Mindgam3, I understand what you are saying.
What I find puzzling is the fact that the stunt was performed in relation to Milton's little event. But on a test track etc??
I don't understand why they had to do this to prove that travelling at that speed will automatically kill you when racing drivers regularly race cars at speeds greater than that, gp riders ride faster etc etc.
I don't know that they had to prove by doing it, and linking it to Milton's story is so pointless.
What I find puzzling is the fact that the stunt was performed in relation to Milton's little event. But on a test track etc??
I don't understand why they had to do this to prove that travelling at that speed will automatically kill you when racing drivers regularly race cars at speeds greater than that, gp riders ride faster etc etc.
I don't know that they had to prove by doing it, and linking it to Milton's story is so pointless.
There's no need for a Noble to go parading around MIRA at 160mph to prove speed doesn't kill. Take a look at any race, go to any drag event or any other track where land speeds exceed the NSL by a huge margin.
I think the "Speed Kills" slogan needs to be taken in context. Speed does not kill in of itself, but speed IS A major factor in how bad the consequences of any motoring mistake are.
Put it this way: better the numpty driving at 70mph than the numpty driving at 100mph.
Sometimes I feel like defecting and that there actually IS a point to this whole speed enforcement malarkey. Speed, at the end of the day, is a common demoninator and is the single most useful basis of road manner enforcement.
I think balance is needed here. The lentilists and the hardcore speeders need to both compromise.
I think the "Speed Kills" slogan needs to be taken in context. Speed does not kill in of itself, but speed IS A major factor in how bad the consequences of any motoring mistake are.
Put it this way: better the numpty driving at 70mph than the numpty driving at 100mph.
Sometimes I feel like defecting and that there actually IS a point to this whole speed enforcement malarkey. Speed, at the end of the day, is a common demoninator and is the single most useful basis of road manner enforcement.
I think balance is needed here. The lentilists and the hardcore speeders need to both compromise.
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