Antidepressants
Discussion
It's not the fact that the number of prescriptions for ADs doubled in the last decade, it's the fact that 'more' than 70 MILLION prescriptions were handed out in 2018 alone.
Are we really that depressed as a nation?
I know people on them. Who doesn't when the numbers are that f high!
One (in only his 30s) has, with help, now weened himself off them. But he his very secluded and now back living at home with his parents.
Another (I've related this story before) was put on ADs - to me I couldn't understand why? They seemed to have everything in life going for them, but let's forget that. This person, the morning after taking the first pills of the prescription got in the car as per usual and drove to work. Then part way, decided in their wisdom to halt the car, and jump from the parapet of a bridge into the local river. Somehow, by luck only, managed to get out, get back in the car and continue their drive to work. Like a drowned rat, the person came into work, sobbing uncontrollably. Long story, GP called, immediately told person to stop taking the ADs. Imagine a different scenario where they decided instead to cross the central reservation or change lane to oncoming traffic? Doesn't bear thinking about. Person was then put on different ones. Still on ADs to this day, several years on, and seemingly helping the person in question. Happy go lucky too, they seem to have worked - just one difference from when first prescribed, the weight gain is shocking.
Another AD story. When my workload was short I used to help out another boss friend of mine. He'd give me a call and say what's the chance of the next couple weeks? I'd be happy to do it if I had little coming in as the pay was fine. The boss had brought in a young guy via a youth programme who had issues (minor in my book when I was told of them, no different to what many of us had back in the day - ie girls or 'a girl' to be correct.) A rowdy lot who knew the girl used to cause him real aggro and sometimes I'd take him back home at the end of the work day if they were known to be hanging around. He turned out to be very competent and was doing well until one week the yobs appeared again. The secretary in the office had taken him under her wing a bit - unbeknown to us had suggested he see his GP for get something to calm him but he'd said he was fine, she was on ADs. Then I came in one morning and he was not in. Very unusual - he was always punctual and early. The boss said he had not heard from him. Later that morning boss called his mum to see if something was wrong. He'd left home very early that morning she said, which surprised us all. Later a copper appears, comes in takes his helmet off... the lad had gone down to the railway line and stood on the track at just after 6am. We found out later he been prescribed and taken ADs the day prior. The coroner's report, straight forward: suicide.
Coincidence? I wonder how many other stories are out there like this? Or are they just isolated incidents?
Pills. Illegal or prescription. Care needed, they're not sweets although seems they're handed out like they are.
It came up in conversation at the pub quiz a month or so back and bar one person (me) everyone was on pills of one sort or another.
Unbelievable!
Are we really that depressed as a nation?
I know people on them. Who doesn't when the numbers are that f high!
One (in only his 30s) has, with help, now weened himself off them. But he his very secluded and now back living at home with his parents.
Another (I've related this story before) was put on ADs - to me I couldn't understand why? They seemed to have everything in life going for them, but let's forget that. This person, the morning after taking the first pills of the prescription got in the car as per usual and drove to work. Then part way, decided in their wisdom to halt the car, and jump from the parapet of a bridge into the local river. Somehow, by luck only, managed to get out, get back in the car and continue their drive to work. Like a drowned rat, the person came into work, sobbing uncontrollably. Long story, GP called, immediately told person to stop taking the ADs. Imagine a different scenario where they decided instead to cross the central reservation or change lane to oncoming traffic? Doesn't bear thinking about. Person was then put on different ones. Still on ADs to this day, several years on, and seemingly helping the person in question. Happy go lucky too, they seem to have worked - just one difference from when first prescribed, the weight gain is shocking.
Another AD story. When my workload was short I used to help out another boss friend of mine. He'd give me a call and say what's the chance of the next couple weeks? I'd be happy to do it if I had little coming in as the pay was fine. The boss had brought in a young guy via a youth programme who had issues (minor in my book when I was told of them, no different to what many of us had back in the day - ie girls or 'a girl' to be correct.) A rowdy lot who knew the girl used to cause him real aggro and sometimes I'd take him back home at the end of the work day if they were known to be hanging around. He turned out to be very competent and was doing well until one week the yobs appeared again. The secretary in the office had taken him under her wing a bit - unbeknown to us had suggested he see his GP for get something to calm him but he'd said he was fine, she was on ADs. Then I came in one morning and he was not in. Very unusual - he was always punctual and early. The boss said he had not heard from him. Later that morning boss called his mum to see if something was wrong. He'd left home very early that morning she said, which surprised us all. Later a copper appears, comes in takes his helmet off... the lad had gone down to the railway line and stood on the track at just after 6am. We found out later he been prescribed and taken ADs the day prior. The coroner's report, straight forward: suicide.
Coincidence? I wonder how many other stories are out there like this? Or are they just isolated incidents?
Pills. Illegal or prescription. Care needed, they're not sweets although seems they're handed out like they are.
It came up in conversation at the pub quiz a month or so back and bar one person (me) everyone was on pills of one sort or another.
Unbelievable!
Orchid1 said:
Everybody is of course different however over the past few years i've felt it's become increasingly difficult to be happy with life in this country.
I can agree with that. Work yourself to a ground, pay taxes for those that don't. Overseas "aid". Numerous wars to support, perhaps not so much lately. Etc etc etc.Orchid1 said:
Everybody is of course different however over the past few years i've felt it's become increasingly difficult to be happy with life in this country.
Unfortunately I’d agree with this too. I can’t quite put my finger on it but people in general are miserable. I wonder if social media plays a part? Where I work used to be a happy place most of the time but it’s a complete nightmare now. I try to be happy but boy is it difficult at times! Joscal said:
Unfortunately I’d agree with this too. I can’t quite put my finger on it but people in general are miserable. I wonder if social media plays a part? Where I work used to be a happy place most of the time but it’s a complete nightmare now. I try to be happy but boy is it difficult at times!
True. Also the roads are a mess, it's hit and miss as to whether your bin will be emptied when it's supposed to be, cars seem to be getting banned from everywhere so you can't go for a leisurely drive let alone park anywhere etc etc.Small things I know but it's the little things that can help a lot with happiness.
Joscal said:
Orchid1 said:
Everybody is of course different however over the past few years i've felt it's become increasingly difficult to be happy with life in this country.
Unfortunately I’d agree with this too. I can’t quite put my finger on it but people in general are miserable. I wonder if social media plays a part? Where I work used to be a happy place most of the time but it’s a complete nightmare now. I try to be happy but boy is it difficult at times! I have never been the happiest person around, even as a child I wasn't hugely happy for reasons I wont bother going into here....
As an adult thought its got worse. In fact, I blame my unhappiness for my daily drinking habit. Thing is, that only helps temporarily, and actually I've had to reign that in now as well as I found that was making me even more depressed.
I think there are a lot of factors but for me, its a combination of the drudgery and repetitiveness of life, debts (working on it), my weight/body image (working on it), work - repetitive, boring, most people at work are just humourless drones after a string of jobs where I had a good laugh, social media and the narcissism it brings, constant bad news.
Having said all of that, I think the way forward is to try and sort it out using natural methods and different habits. I've always avoided seeing the quacks in fear of just being stuck on meds I didn't need and this backs up my thoughts. No, I would rather just try and do more exercise, reduce/avoid exposure to bad news, reduce social media, drink less, lose weight.... hopefully if I'm happier I can then do something about my happiness or lack thereof at work.
Whilst I don't agree with a lot of Johann Hari's conclusions, I think his observation that, as a species we've evolved over many 10s of thousands of years to thrive in small closely knit groups holds some water. Our current social structures and lifestyles are incredibly isolating. We're not designed to sit in an airconditioned office pushing buttons on a keyboard to earn money to buy stuff we don't need to validate our own worth to people we hardly know. But that's where most of us find ourselves.
As a previous user, don't confuse being miserable and being depressed.
They are in no way the same thing.
Depression doesn't need a cause, sometimes it just exists.
My latest attack was last October, out of the blue waiting at a railway station.
I've had success with citalipram before so took them again. This time the side effects were horrendous so I've stopped taking them. I'm not right but I'm better than being in them, other times I've had no side effects.
Most ADs can have bad initial side effects and you are warned about them when you start.
They are in no way the same thing.
Depression doesn't need a cause, sometimes it just exists.
My latest attack was last October, out of the blue waiting at a railway station.
I've had success with citalipram before so took them again. This time the side effects were horrendous so I've stopped taking them. I'm not right but I'm better than being in them, other times I've had no side effects.
Most ADs can have bad initial side effects and you are warned about them when you start.
dandarez said:
It's not the fact that the number of prescriptions for ADs doubled in the last decade, it's the fact that 'more' than 70 MILLION prescriptions were handed out in 2018 alone.
Are we really that depressed as a nation?
I know people on them. Who doesn't when the numbers are that f high!
One (in only his 30s) has, with help, now weened himself off them. But he his very secluded and now back living at home with his parents.
Another (I've related this story before) was put on ADs - to me I couldn't understand why? They seemed to have everything in life going for them, but let's forget that. This person, the morning after taking the first pills of the prescription got in the car as per usual and drove to work. Then part way, decided in their wisdom to halt the car, and jump from the parapet of a bridge into the local river. Somehow, by luck only, managed to get out, get back in the car and continue their drive to work. Like a drowned rat, the person came into work, sobbing uncontrollably. Long story, GP called, immediately told person to stop taking the ADs. Imagine a different scenario where they decided instead to cross the central reservation or change lane to oncoming traffic? Doesn't bear thinking about. Person was then put on different ones. Still on ADs to this day, several years on, and seemingly helping the person in question. Happy go lucky too, they seem to have worked - just one difference from when first prescribed, the weight gain is shocking.
Another AD story. When my workload was short I used to help out another boss friend of mine. He'd give me a call and say what's the chance of the next couple weeks? I'd be happy to do it if I had little coming in as the pay was fine. The boss had brought in a young guy via a youth programme who had issues (minor in my book when I was told of them, no different to what many of us had back in the day - ie girls or 'a girl' to be correct.) A rowdy lot who knew the girl used to cause him real aggro and sometimes I'd take him back home at the end of the work day if they were known to be hanging around. He turned out to be very competent and was doing well until one week the yobs appeared again. The secretary in the office had taken him under her wing a bit - unbeknown to us had suggested he see his GP for get something to calm him but he'd said he was fine, she was on ADs. Then I came in one morning and he was not in. Very unusual - he was always punctual and early. The boss said he had not heard from him. Later that morning boss called his mum to see if something was wrong. He'd left home very early that morning she said, which surprised us all. Later a copper appears, comes in takes his helmet off... the lad had gone down to the railway line and stood on the track at just after 6am. We found out later he been prescribed and taken ADs the day prior. The coroner's report, straight forward: suicide.
Coincidence? I wonder how many other stories are out there like this? Or are they just isolated incidents?
Pills. Illegal or prescription. Care needed, they're not sweets although seems they're handed out like they are.
It came up in conversation at the pub quiz a month or so back and bar one person (me) everyone was on pills of one sort or another.
Unbelievable!
Shocking stories. Are we really that depressed as a nation?
I know people on them. Who doesn't when the numbers are that f high!
One (in only his 30s) has, with help, now weened himself off them. But he his very secluded and now back living at home with his parents.
Another (I've related this story before) was put on ADs - to me I couldn't understand why? They seemed to have everything in life going for them, but let's forget that. This person, the morning after taking the first pills of the prescription got in the car as per usual and drove to work. Then part way, decided in their wisdom to halt the car, and jump from the parapet of a bridge into the local river. Somehow, by luck only, managed to get out, get back in the car and continue their drive to work. Like a drowned rat, the person came into work, sobbing uncontrollably. Long story, GP called, immediately told person to stop taking the ADs. Imagine a different scenario where they decided instead to cross the central reservation or change lane to oncoming traffic? Doesn't bear thinking about. Person was then put on different ones. Still on ADs to this day, several years on, and seemingly helping the person in question. Happy go lucky too, they seem to have worked - just one difference from when first prescribed, the weight gain is shocking.
Another AD story. When my workload was short I used to help out another boss friend of mine. He'd give me a call and say what's the chance of the next couple weeks? I'd be happy to do it if I had little coming in as the pay was fine. The boss had brought in a young guy via a youth programme who had issues (minor in my book when I was told of them, no different to what many of us had back in the day - ie girls or 'a girl' to be correct.) A rowdy lot who knew the girl used to cause him real aggro and sometimes I'd take him back home at the end of the work day if they were known to be hanging around. He turned out to be very competent and was doing well until one week the yobs appeared again. The secretary in the office had taken him under her wing a bit - unbeknown to us had suggested he see his GP for get something to calm him but he'd said he was fine, she was on ADs. Then I came in one morning and he was not in. Very unusual - he was always punctual and early. The boss said he had not heard from him. Later that morning boss called his mum to see if something was wrong. He'd left home very early that morning she said, which surprised us all. Later a copper appears, comes in takes his helmet off... the lad had gone down to the railway line and stood on the track at just after 6am. We found out later he been prescribed and taken ADs the day prior. The coroner's report, straight forward: suicide.
Coincidence? I wonder how many other stories are out there like this? Or are they just isolated incidents?
Pills. Illegal or prescription. Care needed, they're not sweets although seems they're handed out like they are.
It came up in conversation at the pub quiz a month or so back and bar one person (me) everyone was on pills of one sort or another.
Unbelievable!
I was on antidepressants for 25 years in total and 22 years on a brand called Effexor. The one very noticeable issue with antidepressants it that it takes a few weeks for you to feel better on them. These first few weeks can be hell as it makes everything worse. Listening to the second story I would not be surprised if this was the reason for that poor chaps suicide.
Anyway, the side effects of the Effexor antidepressants were horrible. Weight gain when going to the gym 5 days a week with heavy weights and hard cardio was destroying. Just could not shift the weight especially around the stomach area.
But the worst part was feeling numb. So many relationships ruined with not being able to show any affection. This was also impacting on my family as I just could not show any love to my daughter either. Most nights I would wake up with night terrors or panic attacks and have no idea where I was and could not control myself. Just a complete mess but also extremely scary. You honestly think you are losing your mind and you can see why people would decide that enough was enough.
Kept being put on stupid taper by the doctor which would land up being in a terrible state so the initial dose which I was trying to stop was increased. At the highest amount, I was on 450 mg's and I was a walking zombie with no sense of feelings. Doctors think withdraws are your condition getting worse so increase the dose again when in fact it's their stupid tapers which are nothing short of dangerous.
Fast tapers which are mentioned in that article are pure hell on Earth. You get brain zaps which feel like someone is using a cattle prod on your brain. Very scary. This along with horrendous anxiety, depression and so many other feelings that no wonder people give up and keep taking the tablets.
In the end, I tapered myself. Used a 10% a month rule to taper my way off the tablets. It was still pretty terrible but compared to fast tapers it was so much easier.
I was told so many times by my doctor that I would be on antidepressants for life as I had low levels of serotonin. I was never tested for this but it seems to be the way they keep you on these tablets. Anyway, I am just past a year of being free from Effexor.
I still have to deal with the past which I am doing but being free of these horrendous drugs is amazing. I actually feel better than I did on them. No more night terror or panic attacks. Able to show affection for the first time in a long time.
They say Cannabis should never be made legal. Well in my opinion antidepressants should not be given to people unless under extreme circumstances. If they are put on them then only for a limited time.
I would not wish my worst enemy to go through trying to come off this medication.
Doctors are putting children on antidepressants for wetting the bed. It's actually criminal. You would not believe what people with minor issues are being prescribed these dangerous drugs. This is the reason so many are being prescribed.
Scary
keirik said:
As a previous user, don't confuse being miserable and being depressed.
They are in no way the same thing.
Depression doesn't need a cause, sometimes it just exists.
My latest attack was last October, out of the blue waiting at a railway station.
I've had success with citalipram before so took them again. This time the side effects were horrendous so I've stopped taking them. I'm not right but I'm better than being in them, other times I've had no side effects.
Most ADs can have bad initial side effects and you are warned about them when you start.
I have a number of contacts in Canada. Cannabis is legal in Canada and they are having amazing results with depression and anxiety in their health clinics.They are in no way the same thing.
Depression doesn't need a cause, sometimes it just exists.
My latest attack was last October, out of the blue waiting at a railway station.
I've had success with citalipram before so took them again. This time the side effects were horrendous so I've stopped taking them. I'm not right but I'm better than being in them, other times I've had no side effects.
Most ADs can have bad initial side effects and you are warned about them when you start.
I know cannabis gets a lot of bad publicity but hopefully, if they continue to have this success it will be noted over here in the UK.
But I would imagine that day is a very long way off.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 10th April 14:02
I listened to Stephen Fry being interviewed recently and he made an excellent point that even a fairly simple drug like alcohol elicits wildly varying responses in people, so it should not be a surprise that something as complex as anti depressants take careful trial and error to find what works for the individual.
A problem with drugs which work is that people are reluctant to give them up.
A problem with drugs which work is that people are reluctant to give them up.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
'could' is an important word in this article.Having been on antidepressants before, I'd argue that not being on them could cause more damage than being on them for a lot of people, which is why they exist.
I needed them at the time and would have happily stayed on them forever as after the numb emotions stopped, I felt a lot better for them. Better than beforehand. If I hadn't had them at the time, I'd be dead, which is pretty permanent as damage goes.
Robmarriott said:
'could' is an important word in this article.
Having been on antidepressants before, I'd argue that not being on them could cause more damage than being on them for a lot of people, which is why they exist.
I needed them at the time and would have happily stayed on them forever as after the numb emotions stopped, I felt a lot better for them. Better than beforehand. If I hadn't had them at the time, I'd be dead, which is pretty permanent as damage goes.
Yes, this is a massive point.Having been on antidepressants before, I'd argue that not being on them could cause more damage than being on them for a lot of people, which is why they exist.
I needed them at the time and would have happily stayed on them forever as after the numb emotions stopped, I felt a lot better for them. Better than beforehand. If I hadn't had them at the time, I'd be dead, which is pretty permanent as damage goes.
If it stops someone from harming themselves then it's essential.
But most agree that antidepressants should be a short term aid to hopefully allow someone to then receive the help they require.
The problem is that help is not always easy to find.
I am delighted to hear they had such a positive effect on your life. That is priceless.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
But most agree that antidepressants should be a short term aid to hopefully allow someone to then receive the help they require.
The problem is that help is not always easy to find.
Agreed, that's exactly the problem. The real help comes from therapy but it's nigh on impossible to get on the NHS and the majority can't afford £60 for an hour once a week so have to stick with the pills.The problem is that help is not always easy to find.
They did work for me at the time, like I say, and I'd have no qualms using them again if I needed to but they really aren't a permanent solution, that's for sure.
Robmarriott said:
Agreed, that's exactly the problem. The real help comes from therapy but it's nigh on impossible to get on the NHS and the majority can't afford £60 for an hour once a week so have to stick with the pills.
They did work for me at the time, like I say, and I'd have no qualms using them again if I needed to but they really aren't a permanent solution, that's for sure.
Completely agree.They did work for me at the time, like I say, and I'd have no qualms using them again if I needed to but they really aren't a permanent solution, that's for sure.
gregs656 said:
I listened to Stephen Fry being interviewed recently and he made an excellent point that even a fairly simple drug like alcohol elicits wildly varying responses in people, so it should not be a surprise that something as complex as anti depressants take careful trial and error to find what works for the individual.
I heard Stephen Fry talk about it in an interview/podcast with Sam Harris and from my experience it made perfect sense.I've struggled with depression with many years, and have tried three SSRI class antidepressants and none of them worked for me, and all had significant side effects which outweighed any perceived benefits. I also found coming off them (even slowly tapering) to be a complete nightmare. My grandmother, mum, and brother all suffer from depression so I've always assumed it must be caused by some genetic quirk which causes a chemical imbalance, although I appreciate that being brought up in a home where depression is already an issue (nurture in conjunction with nature) may well have an impact on how I view things/cognition.
Given I've really struggled to take medication, and cognitive therapy didn't seem to work for me, I've been searching for a solution and researching other things I can do to minimise the negative impact of depression. It really can be an all consuming illness, and I've made some bad life decisions as a result of it, but thankfully I have a really supportive/understanding wife. Three years ago I felt really low and despite not being a heavy drinker, I realised the day after having three glasses of wine, I felt really, really bad (suicidal), I began to wonder if there was link between my low moods and alcohol. I found that if I had a drink I would feel really depressed in the middle of the night and for 1-2 days afterwards. I gave up drinking there and then, and haven't had a single drop for the last three years, and have felt better for it.
A couple of months ago I felt particularly depressed, and my (excellent) doctor called back to say he wanted to try my on a different class of anti-depressant; after I got off the phone I googled the drug and its side effects and quickly came to the conclusion that it wasn't for me (extreme tiredness/spaced out seems to effect most people who used it; I was already struggling with tiredness) and so I again looked at what I could do to climb out of the hole I was in. I'm naturally sceptical of any "miracle" cures, but had been reading a lot about the potential link between brain inflammation and depression, and how diet can have a massive impact on this. I started keeping a note of what I'd eaten and my corresponding mood, and realised that when I ate white flour/sugar based foods (which I did a lot) my mood crashed, which also ties in with my earlier experience of alcohol (high in sugar). I eliminated sugar/processed flour from my diet (not easy - there is a book called "Potatoes not Prozac which outlines the "science") and the impact was immediate. The most notable change was I slept much better, I woke earlier with much more energy and my mood became more "even". There are still issues I need to work though as a result of decisions I've taken whilst depressed, but I certainly feel like I'm better equipped to make those changes.
I'm not saying this approach will work for others, but it certainly has helped me, and I do wonder if the possible genetic family link to depression could be caused by a genetic heightened sensitivity to sugar; I suppose it could explain why depression has become more prevalent as societies diet has become more focussed on refined food/sugars. It may seem far fetched, but having suffered from depression for many years it's worth a shot for me....
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I have a number of contacts in Canada. Cannabis is legal in Canada and they are having amazing results with depression and anxiety in their health clinics.
I know cannabis gets a lot of bad publicity but hopefully, if they continue to have this success it will be noted over here in the UK.
But I would imagine that day is a very long way off.
Good lord yes.I know cannabis gets a lot of bad publicity but hopefully, if they continue to have this success it will be noted over here in the UK.
But I would imagine that day is a very long way off.
Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Wednesday 10th April 14:02
I can be on the verge of contemplating suicide sometimes, but a just a single blast on a 'dry herb' vaporiser and within 10 minutes I feel completely normal again. It's amazing the way you can feel it just evaporating away. Wonderful stuff. Sure, heavy use probably causes problems, but sensible use its an amazing thing IMO.
I've been on citalapram for 18 months now, barring 3 months on setraline, I didn't know you're only supposed to be on them for 9 months for the first episode? The fact for me is that I was suicidal on setraline, but flat on citalapram (which in a way is better than being down). Had a CBT session with the nurse yesterday and she can't understand why I'm flat and having no enjoyment out of anything, so she doesn't know what to do but mentioned an increase in meds. I left thinking how the hell is increasing my meds going to make me happy.
TameRacingDriver said:
I can certainly relate to this.
I have never been the happiest person around, even as a child I wasn't hugely happy for reasons I wont bother going into here....
As an adult thought its got worse. In fact, I blame my unhappiness for my daily drinking habit. Thing is, that only helps temporarily, and actually I've had to reign that in now as well as I found that was making me even more depressed.
I think there are a lot of factors but for me, its a combination of the drudgery and repetitiveness of life, debts (working on it), my weight/body image (working on it), work - repetitive, boring, most people at work are just humourless drones after a string of jobs where I had a good laugh, social media and the narcissism it brings, constant bad news.
Having said all of that, I think the way forward is to try and sort it out using natural methods and different habits. I've always avoided seeing the quacks in fear of just being stuck on meds I didn't need and this backs up my thoughts. No, I would rather just try and do more exercise, reduce/avoid exposure to bad news, reduce social media, drink less, lose weight.... hopefully if I'm happier I can then do something about my happiness or lack thereof at work.
I could have written this post almost exactly except for two things.I have never been the happiest person around, even as a child I wasn't hugely happy for reasons I wont bother going into here....
As an adult thought its got worse. In fact, I blame my unhappiness for my daily drinking habit. Thing is, that only helps temporarily, and actually I've had to reign that in now as well as I found that was making me even more depressed.
I think there are a lot of factors but for me, its a combination of the drudgery and repetitiveness of life, debts (working on it), my weight/body image (working on it), work - repetitive, boring, most people at work are just humourless drones after a string of jobs where I had a good laugh, social media and the narcissism it brings, constant bad news.
Having said all of that, I think the way forward is to try and sort it out using natural methods and different habits. I've always avoided seeing the quacks in fear of just being stuck on meds I didn't need and this backs up my thoughts. No, I would rather just try and do more exercise, reduce/avoid exposure to bad news, reduce social media, drink less, lose weight.... hopefully if I'm happier I can then do something about my happiness or lack thereof at work.
1. I don't drink, it's binge eating for me.
2. I work from home so don't have office colleagues.
Aside from that, pretty much identical. Deep in debt, and no sign of getting out of it as (a) I can't motivate myself to do anything about it and (b) I doubt I'm qualified enough to do any job that would rid me of my debts. As far as taking my own life goes, I've never considered it and would never do it, Inever get THAT affected by any mental health issue I might have.
Edited by GloverMart on Thursday 11th April 22:42
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