Macan S or Base Cayenne?? (2019)
Discussion
I've been here before thinking of changing my 991.1 manual Black Edition, just done a 300+ miles to the lakes & the car does a good job for the trip but I still feel a Macan or Cayenne would make a better all rounder (I have a 987 Cayman for fun, which is a keeper)
I'm going to set up some back to back test drives in the new Macan S & a base Cayenne, has anyone had a similar decision to make??.
I know many will say keep the 911 but after 3.5 years I like it not love it, I have tried....... where as my 07 Cayman I LOVE still after 12 years.
Its time for the 911 to go, what should I have? Getting an SUV means I can get rid of my old L200 & move the 911 on, running just 2 cars Cayman for fun + Macan or Cayenne?
I'm going to set up some back to back test drives in the new Macan S & a base Cayenne, has anyone had a similar decision to make??.
I know many will say keep the 911 but after 3.5 years I like it not love it, I have tried....... where as my 07 Cayman I LOVE still after 12 years.
Its time for the 911 to go, what should I have? Getting an SUV means I can get rid of my old L200 & move the 911 on, running just 2 cars Cayman for fun + Macan or Cayenne?
Koln-RS said:
There's a huge difference between any Porsche 'sports' model and any Porsche SUV.
The badge on the bonnet is all that really connects them.
However, if faced with the choice, I'd definitely go with the Macan - better looking and better drive, IMO (subject to dynamic spec).
I agree the Macan was my initial first choice, I don't necessarily need the larger car, but I'm a little concerned with it being a face lifted model & the Cayenne being bang unto date in every way. The badge on the bonnet is all that really connects them.
However, if faced with the choice, I'd definitely go with the Macan - better looking and better drive, IMO (subject to dynamic spec).
I've had both the Cayenne (2012) and Macan (2017) and much preferred the latter, but can't comment on the latest Cayenne.
And the Macan is fine for four adults - I've travelled in the back of a couple and it's very good. However, I did notice that the ride comfort in the rear is so much better with the air suspension and pasm options.
I also prefer these cars with a Diesel engine - excellent driveability, performance delivery, economy, and even sound nice with the pse.
And the Macan is fine for four adults - I've travelled in the back of a couple and it's very good. However, I did notice that the ride comfort in the rear is so much better with the air suspension and pasm options.
I also prefer these cars with a Diesel engine - excellent driveability, performance delivery, economy, and even sound nice with the pse.
We’ve got both (2017 Cayenne and 2018 Macan), the Macan is much more fun to drive and if you don’t need the space that would be where my money went. But if you’re looking at the base Macan the 4 pot 2ltr engine isn’t very Porsche...it’s fine at driving around relatively effortlessly but if you want to start using the rev range it sounds pretty rubbish.
The advice above about how practical the Macan is in terms of carrying passengers has got a caveat in my opinion terms of how tall the driver is and where they like the drivers seat. I am 6ft 2in and like my seat quite far back....neither of my 10 and 8 yr old kids like sitting behind me. Not an issue with the Cayenne.
My Macan is a 2018 car but last of the previous gen....I’ve driven a couple of the new ones. I really don’t think the new interior (which is basically just the PCM) is really that much of a difference. Instead of a new one I’d be looking at a year old GTS or Turbo Macan...they’re great car.
If you don’t need the space a high spec Macan is a better place to be than a low spec Cayenne.
The advice above about how practical the Macan is in terms of carrying passengers has got a caveat in my opinion terms of how tall the driver is and where they like the drivers seat. I am 6ft 2in and like my seat quite far back....neither of my 10 and 8 yr old kids like sitting behind me. Not an issue with the Cayenne.
My Macan is a 2018 car but last of the previous gen....I’ve driven a couple of the new ones. I really don’t think the new interior (which is basically just the PCM) is really that much of a difference. Instead of a new one I’d be looking at a year old GTS or Turbo Macan...they’re great car.
If you don’t need the space a high spec Macan is a better place to be than a low spec Cayenne.
Geneve said:
I've had both the Cayenne (2012) and Macan (2017) and much preferred the latter, but can't comment on the latest Cayenne.
And the Macan is fine for four adults - I've travelled in the back of a couple and it's very good. However, I did notice that the ride comfort in the rear is so much better with the air suspension and pasm options.
I also prefer these cars with a Diesel engine - excellent driveability, performance delivery, economy, and even sound nice with the pse.
Sound advice thank you, what would be interesting is if you tried a new Cayenne to see if they have advanced dynamically in your opinion?And the Macan is fine for four adults - I've travelled in the back of a couple and it's very good. However, I did notice that the ride comfort in the rear is so much better with the air suspension and pasm options.
I also prefer these cars with a Diesel engine - excellent driveability, performance delivery, economy, and even sound nice with the pse.
Cheib said:
We’ve got both (2017 Cayenne and 2018 Macan), the Macan is much more fun to drive and if you don’t need the space that would be where my money went. But if you’re looking at the base Macan the 4 pot 2ltr engine isn’t very Porsche...it’s fine at driving around relatively effortlessly but if you want to start using the rev range it sounds pretty rubbish.
The advice above about how practical the Macan is in terms of carrying passengers has got a caveat in my opinion terms of how tall the driver is and where they like the drivers seat. I am 6ft 2in and like my seat quite far back....neither of my 10 and 8 yr old kids like sitting behind me. Not an issue with the Cayenne.
My Macan is a 2018 car but last of the previous gen....I’ve driven a couple of the new ones. I really don’t think the new interior (which is basically just the PCM) is really that much of a difference. Instead of a new one I’d be looking at a year old GTS or Turbo Macan...they’re great car.
If you don’t need the space a high spec Macan is a better place to be than a low spec Cayenne.
Thanks Cheib, I was hoping the new Cayenne would have closed the gap between itself and the Macan, it appears not in your opinion. The advice above about how practical the Macan is in terms of carrying passengers has got a caveat in my opinion terms of how tall the driver is and where they like the drivers seat. I am 6ft 2in and like my seat quite far back....neither of my 10 and 8 yr old kids like sitting behind me. Not an issue with the Cayenne.
My Macan is a 2018 car but last of the previous gen....I’ve driven a couple of the new ones. I really don’t think the new interior (which is basically just the PCM) is really that much of a difference. Instead of a new one I’d be looking at a year old GTS or Turbo Macan...they’re great car.
If you don’t need the space a high spec Macan is a better place to be than a low spec Cayenne.
I take it you don’t see a great deal of advantage with the Macans updates? I’d pretty much discounted the 2.0lt, but I’ll certainly be comparing gen 1 GTS & Turbo with facelifts ‘s’ version, cheers
Montcoffer said:
Sound advice thank you, what would be interesting is if you tried a new Cayenne to see if they have advanced dynamically in your opinion?
I'm sure the new Cayenne is at the top of its game for a big SUV, but I'd be surprised if it is as deft as a well specd Macan, on the road.Agree with the comment about the new 4-pot petrol engine in the facelift Macan - a point made in this Autocar article https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/diesel... - reinforcing my preference for diesel.
Geneve said:
I'm sure the new Cayenne is at the top of its game for a big SUV, but I'd be surprised if it is as deft as a well specd Macan, on the road.
Agree with the comment about the new 4-pot petrol engine in the facelift Macan - a point made in this Autocar article https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/diesel... - reinforcing my preference for diesel.
Just read the auto car article , some good points in it, I would have liked them to compare Diesel & Petrol a little deeper, comparing all running costs say over a selection of annual milages. Agree with the comment about the new 4-pot petrol engine in the facelift Macan - a point made in this Autocar article https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/diesel... - reinforcing my preference for diesel.
Montcoffer said:
hanks Cheib, I was hoping the new Cayenne would have closed the gap between itself and the Macan, it appears not in your opinion.
I take it you don’t see a great deal of advantage with the Macans updates? I’d pretty much discounted the 2.0lt, but I’ll certainly be comparing gen 1 GTS & Turbo with facelifts ‘s’ version, cheers
I’ve not driven a new Cayenne, only been a passenger in one. It didn’t feel to me from that short ride that the ride in the new car was much advanced from the old one. I take it you don’t see a great deal of advantage with the Macans updates? I’d pretty much discounted the 2.0lt, but I’ll certainly be comparing gen 1 GTS & Turbo with facelifts ‘s’ version, cheers
Both our car’s have AIr PASM, I’d actually say the Macan “wafts” better than the Cayenne. You certainly feel the extra weight of the Cayenne over speed bumps. The Macan is a Turbo PP so has the slightly firmer GTS suspension set up.
The one thing I noticed about the new PCM is that when you use Apple Car Play the part of the screen devoted to ACP is smaller than the slightly older PCM screen. So my Waze map
Is smaller...bit daft!
The Macan GTS or Turbo PP really are fantastic cars. They can really be hussled down a country road but also are an extremely comfortable place to spend a long time. That said I am coming towards the end of a 2.5k mile European trip in our Cayenne S Diesel, it’s been brilliant.
Both are great cars.
I've got a base Cayenne (since May) and had a few Macans as courtesy cars when the Cayenne's been in for a software issue with the Nav. So I have some back to back time in both as a comparison.
Prior to the Cayenne I'd had two seater sports cars, coupes and then a 6 GC. But with a second kid arriving I reluctantly stepped up to an SUV. Couldn't justify two cars as I do ~3k miles a year, so wanted something that drove as close to a car as possible.
The Cayenne has significantly more load capacity. It's also easier to access. More comfortable 4 or 5 up. Easier to get my elder daughter in/out of her car seat. Just generally more spacious. It also feels like a more spacious cabin.
I find it fun to drive when I put my foot down. The new base engine is very very good IMO. And it can feel like a decent handling car when you stick the suspension in sport mode. I much prefer the new interior changes. The plethora of buttons in the old one triggered the aesthetic OCD in me, although probably better functionally. The large NAV screen and shifting the noddy ear vents to below the screen also addressed the other aesthetic issues I had with the old one. The new displays either side of the rev counter are also an improvement functionally. And in general (other then the intermitted crash) the new ICE is very snappy and works well.
Having said all that, the Macan is the better drive. They Cayenne does feel more solid and substantial when cruising. But when you want to have some fun, the Macan drives closer to a car.
Practicality was the key driver, so thats one reason I opted for the Cayenne. Also when I ordered I new the Macan was due a facelift. Whereas I got an early slot for the Cayenne, so coupled with the factory shutdown, suspected first year residuals may be decent (I put a deposit down on another just in case). This has proved to be the case, as I stand to lose ~6% after one year. I managed to switch my deposit to the Cayenne Coupe for another early slot, so will be swapping out. Hopefully I dont regret losing some of the practicality.
You may want to consider the Coupe if you can get an early slot. As if you change your mind (which was one of my concerns) you'll probably be able to get out of it with a smaller loss.
Prior to the Cayenne I'd had two seater sports cars, coupes and then a 6 GC. But with a second kid arriving I reluctantly stepped up to an SUV. Couldn't justify two cars as I do ~3k miles a year, so wanted something that drove as close to a car as possible.
The Cayenne has significantly more load capacity. It's also easier to access. More comfortable 4 or 5 up. Easier to get my elder daughter in/out of her car seat. Just generally more spacious. It also feels like a more spacious cabin.
I find it fun to drive when I put my foot down. The new base engine is very very good IMO. And it can feel like a decent handling car when you stick the suspension in sport mode. I much prefer the new interior changes. The plethora of buttons in the old one triggered the aesthetic OCD in me, although probably better functionally. The large NAV screen and shifting the noddy ear vents to below the screen also addressed the other aesthetic issues I had with the old one. The new displays either side of the rev counter are also an improvement functionally. And in general (other then the intermitted crash) the new ICE is very snappy and works well.
Having said all that, the Macan is the better drive. They Cayenne does feel more solid and substantial when cruising. But when you want to have some fun, the Macan drives closer to a car.
Practicality was the key driver, so thats one reason I opted for the Cayenne. Also when I ordered I new the Macan was due a facelift. Whereas I got an early slot for the Cayenne, so coupled with the factory shutdown, suspected first year residuals may be decent (I put a deposit down on another just in case). This has proved to be the case, as I stand to lose ~6% after one year. I managed to switch my deposit to the Cayenne Coupe for another early slot, so will be swapping out. Hopefully I dont regret losing some of the practicality.
You may want to consider the Coupe if you can get an early slot. As if you change your mind (which was one of my concerns) you'll probably be able to get out of it with a smaller loss.
Edited by 5to1 on Saturday 13th April 16:59
Edited by 5to1 on Saturday 13th April 17:00
stichill99 said:
While looking sideways at a Cayenne and Macan parked next to each other at OPC. I thought that there was only about 4 inches between them length wise. They both looked big enough to get a car load of fatties in !
That 4 inches equates to quite a bit in volume. Also the boot openings bigger, so easier to get big unwieldy items in and out (bike, stupid huge pushchair systems women insist on buying, along with kitchen sink which the Mrs wants to take now we have kids :/). As are the door openings and rear space. Was definitely easier getting my daughter in and out of her car seat.That's not to say the Macan is small. You just notice the difference in capacity/accessibility in practice more then you do when looking them over.
I think it comes down to how much you will use the back seats.
The Macan is not much bigger in the back than a Golf. Cayenne back seat more like a mid size saloon.
Macan looks better (I am a Cayenne 958 owner). I am not totally convinced by the light bar on the new Cayenne.
Interiors are quite similar now, the 958 Cayenne was slightly chaotic with 4000 buttons.
When you drive the Cayenne it shrinks around you, then you get out and look and think - this car is massive.
Macan does a good job disguising its size visually.
Macan will hold its value much better. I think it has a wider appeal simply due to its size.
The Macan is not much bigger in the back than a Golf. Cayenne back seat more like a mid size saloon.
Macan looks better (I am a Cayenne 958 owner). I am not totally convinced by the light bar on the new Cayenne.
Interiors are quite similar now, the 958 Cayenne was slightly chaotic with 4000 buttons.
When you drive the Cayenne it shrinks around you, then you get out and look and think - this car is massive.
Macan does a good job disguising its size visually.
Macan will hold its value much better. I think it has a wider appeal simply due to its size.
Edited by hungry_hog on Sunday 14th April 09:30
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