Tyres - 718 Cayman S

[CraiggA]

Does anyone have any suggestions for replacing the Yokohama Advans that are standard issue on my car? I am getting into a bit of track driving but don't want to commit to a second set of wheels i.e R spec tyres. One thought was the Michelin Pilot Sport 2S but that might be too harsh for road use.

[Twinfan]

Michelin Pilot Sport 4Ss would get my vote. Superb all round tyre.

[mr pg]

MPS4S. They are approved and fitted to 718's.

[Blink982]

I will be replacing my P Zeros with the Michelins when the time comes. The P Zeros are awful in cold temps and barely fit on my rear wheels (carrera sport). The 4S at least offer a degree of rim protection and I've heard are better in the wet and colder temps. The P zeros grip like hell in the dry but for the UK that's a rare occurrence.

[130R]

I'm getting MPS4S fitted in a couple of weeks. I'm hoping they are a bit better in the wet and it will improve the God awful wheel hop when turning around at low speeds

[bcr5784]

The gawd awful wheel hop is fundamentally caused by the geometry of the steering which does not conform to ackermann requirements (the inner wheel has to execute a smaller circumferance than that of the outer wheel) The only real solution (apart from a change in the Porsche's steering) is a set of winter tyres whose tread blocks have more compliance than summer tyres - partly because of the rubber which is more flexible at low temperatures and partly because the tread blocks of winter tyres are much smaller.and more flexible. That said some tyres are worse than others - the Pirelli N0 tyres are very bad, Pirelli N1s are much better. I can't say whether PS4S are better than N1 Pirellis - but N1s are OK in the 6+C region (imo) - but winter tyres are far better.

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 12th April 20:14

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 12th April 20:14

[Nuttcase]

If you are not doing high miles I would look at the Michelin PS Cup2s. Is that the tyre you were referring to in your original post? They are reasonably comfortable and I find them ok in wet conditions, they do jump a little in low temperatures on full lock before they warm up. Not cheap and you won't get the same mileage as PS4S.

[CraiggA]

Hi Nuttcase, yes I was referring to the Pilot Sport Cup 2S. I am pleased to read your positive comments about them. I know in a video test I watched they are substantially faster on a track than the 4S, which itself was a bit quicker than something else (can't remember what). Someone told me that R spec tyres are too firm for road use, but if these are somewhere between R spec and say the 4S then that would suit me.
I should have pointed out that my wheels are 19 inch (40 profile rather than 35), so that gives a bit more compliance too. I don't think I have mentioned anywhere either that I am Melbourne Australia, not that that really matters. We don't get really cold winters of course so winter tyres are never used.

[Nuttcase]

Hi Craig, the original PS Cup and its successor the PS Cup+ probably had slightly stiffer sidewalls than the Cup2. They were also notorious for being snappy in the wet and had relatively shorter life. The Cup2 was a major step forward in day to day usability whilst being able to cope with higher temperatures during track use, and offered decent mileage as well. Along with Dunlop Sport Maxx Race they were standard fitment to the GT3. I'm currently running a set on my R8 on 20" rims - both front and rear with a 30 profile, so the whole set up is not very forgiving but those are the factory sizes and the tyres are RO1 Quattro homologated. I changed out from the factory fitted PZeros (the newer PZ4 version) and I really didn't notice any deterioration in ride quality and wet grip is not a problem; the only time I'm careful is when there is large puddles of standing water around. Only have a few thousand miles on them so can't comment much on life expectancy; I'm a low mileage user (4-5000 a year) so if I get 18-24 months including a couple of track days I'll be happy. I remember reading the review below from a BMW blog before I changed out - his tyres ran for 15,000km including 4 track days. no regrets.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/04/19/tire-review-mic...

Edited by Nuttcase on Sunday 14th April 14:32

[dinkel]

Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R works well and maybe even better in the rain. I testdrove this T with Pirelli and they lacked feel. The 20 inchers did not help. Anyone with 18"-experience?

[martindg123]

Out of interest. How many miles roughly are you getting out of a set? I’m currently sat at 7k and the tyres have plenty of life left in them (no track days). Looking forward to getting rid of the Pirelli’s.