“Respect” the word of the moment!
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I have to say, I'm not that hopeful of a change in UK society. Picture the (hypothetical) scene:
17 yr old Tracy, a chavette from Essex, lives with her Mum, who’s always out partying - financed by the state. Tracy decides she needs her own place, so she gets pregnant in order to get priority for a council house – she sleeps around and doesn’t know who the father is.
Nine months later, young “Wayne” is born. Now Tracy hasn’t got a clue how to raise Wayne, because she wasn’t raised with any degree of competence by her own Mum. So she muddles her way through by shouting at Wayne from the age of one. Wayne’s a right little tearaway at primary school, but every time Tracy is spoken to by the school she hurls abuse at the teachers, saying “my Wayne’s bored because you’re not teaching him proper”. Little Wayne turns into teenage Wayne. He realises that he can get away with verbally abusing teachers and bullying the other kids to get their money. His Mum doesn’t care because she’s busy partying every night, like her Mum used to.
Tony Blair is then elected again and tells everyone “we need to get kids to respect everyone”. Wayne doesn’t even understand the concept, and even if he did he would give a toss, because: This country’s social problems are far deeper than “respect” initiatives. They stem from the breakdown of the traditional family.
17 yr old Tracy, a chavette from Essex, lives with her Mum, who’s always out partying - financed by the state. Tracy decides she needs her own place, so she gets pregnant in order to get priority for a council house – she sleeps around and doesn’t know who the father is.
Nine months later, young “Wayne” is born. Now Tracy hasn’t got a clue how to raise Wayne, because she wasn’t raised with any degree of competence by her own Mum. So she muddles her way through by shouting at Wayne from the age of one. Wayne’s a right little tearaway at primary school, but every time Tracy is spoken to by the school she hurls abuse at the teachers, saying “my Wayne’s bored because you’re not teaching him proper”. Little Wayne turns into teenage Wayne. He realises that he can get away with verbally abusing teachers and bullying the other kids to get their money. His Mum doesn’t care because she’s busy partying every night, like her Mum used to.
Tony Blair is then elected again and tells everyone “we need to get kids to respect everyone”. Wayne doesn’t even understand the concept, and even if he did he would give a toss, because: This country’s social problems are far deeper than “respect” initiatives. They stem from the breakdown of the traditional family.
Srebbe, welcome to the 'Nail and Head' club.
The sooner we sort out this cycle of unfit parents bringing up another generation of unfit parents by introducing some kind of competancy test, this cycle of deprivation will only continue.
I'm also sick and tired of 'traditional' institutions such as the family unit, marriage, education, employment and so on being attacked by the usual 'trendy lefties' trying to stick up for people they have no connection with whatsoever.
Why do I get the idea you've just come to the end of those things I emailed you
>> Edited by Twincam16 on Friday 20th May 19:15
The sooner we sort out this cycle of unfit parents bringing up another generation of unfit parents by introducing some kind of competancy test, this cycle of deprivation will only continue.
I'm also sick and tired of 'traditional' institutions such as the family unit, marriage, education, employment and so on being attacked by the usual 'trendy lefties' trying to stick up for people they have no connection with whatsoever.
Why do I get the idea you've just come to the end of those things I emailed you
>> Edited by Twincam16 on Friday 20th May 19:15
Jaglover said:
It may not be PC to say so, but crime rates closely track the numbers on babies born out of wedlock.
>> Edited by Jaglover on Friday 20th May 19:20
I think it's more likely to closely track a whole smorgasbord of sneered-at traditional institutions TBH - like I said, not only marriage, but fatherhood and motherhood and the entailed responsibilities, plus the compulsion to encourage education, lawfulness, a work ethic, good manners and so on.
There will be a socio-conservative backlash at some point, and many people will be accused of being prudish, puritannical and old-fashioned, but there will be a lot more support than many people will think.
Twincam16 said:
The sooner we sort out this cycle of unfit parents bringing up another generation of unfit parents by introducing some kind of competancy test, this cycle of deprivation will only continue.
Pretty much echos what I said on a thread a couple of months ago.
You have to have a license to drive a car, yet anyone is allowed to have children with out any concern whether they will be able to handle the responsibility.
>> Edited by Trooper2 on Friday 20th May 19:28
srebbe64 said:
17 yr old Tracy, a chavette from Essex, lives with her Mum, who’s always out partying - financed by the state. Tracy decides she needs her own place, so she gets pregnant in order to get priority for a council house – she sleeps around and doesn’t know who the father is.
Well that's torn it, now Judas will know where my income really comes from. 
You could have used Waynetta though. 
Anyway they are not called Tracy anymore, their grandmothers are!
Ace-T
(aka Tracy)srebbe64 said:
In terms of probability, if a child is raised by two loving parents in a disciplined environment, as opposed to one parent who doesn't give a monkey's, then it's a no-brainer as to which child is more likely to be respectful.
Your initial post was fine - that's the way it is unfortunately - who's to blame?
But as for your post above, you could say if a child id raised by one loving parent (as a hell of a lot are) as opposed to two parents who don;t give a monkeys, then is it still a no brainer ?
I think so.
It's not the number of parents nornally (although two do help usually) but the kind of parents you are. And supposing one parent is good and one parent is bad ... ?
Lots of people have been raised by one parent and turned out to be good, decent law-abiding citizens
too right. but i have seen too many parents who dont give a monkies. i know of a family who had four kids,who then went on to have several kids each.that is now 5 households. none of whom work,have countless numbers of kids each.
i would not trust the original parents to look after a bonfire let alone some kids.
so 5 council houses , 20 x child allowance and god knows what else. and where are the parents? off their faces on smack and crack. trust me i do not exaggerate,i have several properties in their area, i see it going on. and that is just one family. it makes me sick. and people go on about illeagal immigrants. my local paper has had a bit of a theme going on recently, featuring all the illegals arrested,funny thing was all of them had been working!
i would not trust the original parents to look after a bonfire let alone some kids.
so 5 council houses , 20 x child allowance and god knows what else. and where are the parents? off their faces on smack and crack. trust me i do not exaggerate,i have several properties in their area, i see it going on. and that is just one family. it makes me sick. and people go on about illeagal immigrants. my local paper has had a bit of a theme going on recently, featuring all the illegals arrested,funny thing was all of them had been working!
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