Vietnam virtual tour
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I've just watched the Tilke "virtual tour" of the proposed Vietnam street circuit.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.vietnam...
Given the layout that was issued it's probably not a shock that it's quite uninspiring. No gradient change, long straights and a few token twists. The added sawing at the wheel fails to win me over. It's really disappointing given that there is supposedly high demand for hosting in Asia.
With F1 looking to move racing closer to cities, I thought Liberty had at least appreciated that these street circuits need to be exciting, challenging and have some character. This looks a shocker. By comparison Baku does a good job.
Anyone else seen this?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.vietnam...
Given the layout that was issued it's probably not a shock that it's quite uninspiring. No gradient change, long straights and a few token twists. The added sawing at the wheel fails to win me over. It's really disappointing given that there is supposedly high demand for hosting in Asia.
With F1 looking to move racing closer to cities, I thought Liberty had at least appreciated that these street circuits need to be exciting, challenging and have some character. This looks a shocker. By comparison Baku does a good job.
Anyone else seen this?
Edited by MuttWagon on Wednesday 24th April 17:52
Deep joy, another joke GP in a country which , for very obvious reasons, has no racing heritage (see also Azerbaijan , Abu Dhabi , Bahrain , China etc ) . Here's an idea - most people who are really interested in F1 , enough to go and see it for themselves are in Western Europe , Compare and contrast F1 fever in Baku , where the locals turn out by the ..umm ..dozen .
We make the cars here , and we watch it here ....
We make the cars here , and we watch it here ....
I saw this earlier too. I was also confused at the over enthusiastic steering inputs and the apparent determination to avoid the racing line...
The first corner, kind of looks interesting because it's crazy tight right after the long straight. But to be honest it's so tight that I can see it deterring moves more than being useful.
The rest, what can I say? It's flat and the turns are supposedly good because they're modelled on tracks we already have!? That seems more lazy than a good thing.
Next year's race their, with DRS on the long straights is going to seem very artificial, two equal paced cars swapping position every lap isn't great racing. Maybe the long straights are intended for a future that may not have DRS as a factor?
Average I'd say, but I'll hold off getting too emotional about it until the first race.
The first corner, kind of looks interesting because it's crazy tight right after the long straight. But to be honest it's so tight that I can see it deterring moves more than being useful.
The rest, what can I say? It's flat and the turns are supposedly good because they're modelled on tracks we already have!? That seems more lazy than a good thing.
Next year's race their, with DRS on the long straights is going to seem very artificial, two equal paced cars swapping position every lap isn't great racing. Maybe the long straights are intended for a future that may not have DRS as a factor?
Average I'd say, but I'll hold off getting too emotional about it until the first race.
coppice said:
Deep joy, another joke GP in a country which , for very obvious reasons, has no racing heritage (see also Azerbaijan , Abu Dhabi , Bahrain , China etc ) . Here's an idea - most people who are really interested in F1 , enough to go and see it for themselves are in Western Europe , Compare and contrast F1 fever in Baku , where the locals turn out by the ..umm ..dozen .
We make the cars here , and we watch it here ....
Well, it's a World Championship...We make the cars here , and we watch it here ....
I wouldn't shed a tear if a country replaced the German GP.
Germany has a massive heritage and yet they have been struggling with attendance and fandom in the in post-Schumi era. They can't even support their own these days despite an abundance of German nationals and having a multiple champ.
It's nominally a world championship . If it were true to its name , we'd have had races in Africa. Ironically , we did have in the apartheid era but not after it . The reality is that since Max sold Bernie the sport for thirty pieces of silver races take part in whatever country , tinpot dictatorship, oppressive Islamic regime or communist state which will stump up the going rate. Which , unlike here, is paid for out of public money in order to enable whatever joke regime is in charge to boast to its neighbour that it has a Grand Prix.
Anyway ..Hockenheim ... since it was hacked about so brutally to ensure it looked like nearly every other modern circuit - vast run offs , every corner indistinguishable from the previous or the next , no straights through those spooky forests any more , it looks like nearly everywhere else . So I am not surprised they stay at home but still go to the 'Ring in their thousands .
And think about it - two Rosbergs , Hakkinen , Peterson , Salo , Wissell, Bonnier , Bottas , Ericsson,Nilsson etc - all Scandinavian F1 drivers , and 3 world champions among them . And the last Scandinavian GP ? 41 years ago...
Anyway ..Hockenheim ... since it was hacked about so brutally to ensure it looked like nearly every other modern circuit - vast run offs , every corner indistinguishable from the previous or the next , no straights through those spooky forests any more , it looks like nearly everywhere else . So I am not surprised they stay at home but still go to the 'Ring in their thousands .
And think about it - two Rosbergs , Hakkinen , Peterson , Salo , Wissell, Bonnier , Bottas , Ericsson,Nilsson etc - all Scandinavian F1 drivers , and 3 world champions among them . And the last Scandinavian GP ? 41 years ago...
coppice said:
It's nominally a world championship . If it were true to its name , we'd have had races in Africa. Ironically , we did have in the apartheid era but not after it . The reality is that since Max sold Bernie the sport for thirty pieces of silver races take part in whatever country , tinpot dictatorship, oppressive Islamic regime or communist state which will stump up the going rate. Which , unlike here, is paid for out of public money in order to enable whatever joke regime is in charge to boast to its neighbour that it has a Grand Prix.
Anyway ..Hockenheim ... since it was hacked about so brutally to ensure it looked like nearly every other modern circuit - vast run offs , every corner indistinguishable from the previous or the next , no straights through those spooky forests any more , it looks like nearly everywhere else . So I am not surprised they stay at home but still go to the 'Ring in their thousands .
And think about it - two Rosbergs , Hakkinen , Peterson , Salo , Wissell, Bonnier , Bottas , Ericsson,Nilsson etc - all Scandinavian F1 drivers , and 3 world champions among them . And the last Scandinavian GP ? 41 years ago...
Hungarian GP is somewhat regarded as the Finnish GP because of the amount of fans from the country who turn up! Ironic considering it was the first race in the Eastern-bloc.Anyway ..Hockenheim ... since it was hacked about so brutally to ensure it looked like nearly every other modern circuit - vast run offs , every corner indistinguishable from the previous or the next , no straights through those spooky forests any more , it looks like nearly everywhere else . So I am not surprised they stay at home but still go to the 'Ring in their thousands .
And think about it - two Rosbergs , Hakkinen , Peterson , Salo , Wissell, Bonnier , Bottas , Ericsson,Nilsson etc - all Scandinavian F1 drivers , and 3 world champions among them . And the last Scandinavian GP ? 41 years ago...
FOCA was formed in the early 60s because they wanted more money from the race organisers/promoters. As easy as it is to blame Bernie, the teams complain about more money so it has to come from somewhere? Remember when FOTA desperate to keep FTA TV coverage and then after the Sky UK announcement FOTA it was great for sport and more money for the teams. Mercenaries, the lot of them.
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