Use of a lift

[gothatway]

I'm in the process of buying a 2-post lift for private use. I would be very happy for local chums (particularly those with interesting cars) to use it for free, but would want it to be clear that such use was totally at their risk. I accept that I would have a duty of care to ensure that it was fault-free and properly serviced. Is there a standard form of words that I could/should ask them to sign up to ?

[lyonspride]

gothatway said:

I'm in the process of buying a 2-post lift for private use. I would be very happy for local chums (particularly those with interesting cars) to use it for free, but would want it to be clear that such use was totally at their risk. I accept that I would have a duty of care to ensure that it was fault-free and properly serviced. Is there a standard form of words that I could/should ask them to sign up to ?

I understand your concerns, but really it's no different to lending them a trolley jack.

[SVTRick]

Your in a minefield with that pal.
Testing & Inspection / Records, Equipment Insurance, Methods of working. Liability Insurance
Even for private use.
Get some good legal advise.

I never lend or allow use of my lift or any such equipment, can leave you open to a claim.

[ElectricPics]

There's a duty of care to anyone visiting private premises, enshrined in the Occupiers Liability Act 1957.

'The common duty of care is to take such care as in all the circumstances of the case is reasonable to see that the visitor will be reasonably safe in using the premises for the purposes for which he is invited or permitted by the occupier to be there'.

You'd need to provide training and supervision for anyone using the lift, ensuring they wear appropriate PPE, and making sure it's fully maintained and safe.

All academic of course, unless someone got hurt, or worse.

[A1VDY]

ElectricPics said:

There's a duty of care to anyone visiting private premises, enshrined in the Occupiers Liability Act 1957.

'The common duty of care is to take such care as in all the circumstances of the case is reasonable to see that the visitor will be reasonably safe in using the premises for the purposes for which he is invited or permitted by the occupier to be there'.

You'd need to provide training and supervision for anyone using the lift, ensuring they wear appropriate PPE, and making sure it's fully maintained and safe.

All academic of course, unless someone got hurt, or worse.

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

[gothatway]

I don't recall ever seeing PPE in use in any commercial garage. The closest might be work boots.

[Toltec]

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm not sure quite how much use a perfectly intact skull sat directly on top of your pelvis would actually be.

[anonymous-user]

Toltec said:

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm not sure quite how much use a perfectly intact skull sat directly on top of your pelvis would actually be.

I was just thinking the same. A hard hat wouldn't do anything except keep your hair in place while you were pancaked

[Boosted LS1]

You could have a kick around with it?

[Pericoloso]

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm going to plump for sarcasm here.

[Riley Blue]

Pericoloso said:

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm going to plump for sarcasm here.

Must be, every knows steel toe caps are the #1 item.

[4rephill]

Riley Blue said:

Pericoloso said:

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm going to plump for sarcasm here.

Must be, every knows steel toe caps are the #1 item.

Actually, steel toe caps are only #2 when it comes to safety.

A cup of tea/coffee is #1

That's because, whilst you're drinking your tea/coffee, you'll be stood away from any imminent danger, thinking about what you should do next

[Dixy]

What a depressing world we live in. You do someone a favour and risk getting your back doors kicked in.

[Vaud]

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

Have a look at any big chain (e.g. Kwikfit) or dealer - the kind that do genuinely worry about being sued, etc, rather than a backstreet outfit.

I have seen lots of lifts. I have never seen a hard hat.

[echazfraz]

lyonspride said:

gothatway said:

I'm in the process of buying a 2-post lift for private use. I would be very happy for local chums (particularly those with interesting cars) to use it for free, but would want it to be clear that such use was totally at their risk. I accept that I would have a duty of care to ensure that it was fault-free and properly serviced. Is there a standard form of words that I could/should ask them to sign up to ?

I understand your concerns, but really it's no different to lending them a trolley jack.

Isn't it different in that the lift is on OP's premises and therefore he may have a duty of care to whomever is using the lift e.g. if he didn't maintain it, removed pieces of it, broke it, etc. then told his mate to crack on, and his mate died, he'd be liable in some way surely?

Not sure of all the ins and outs but genuinely curious.

[ElectricPics]

echazfraz said:

lyonspride said:

gothatway said:

I'm in the process of buying a 2-post lift for private use. I would be very happy for local chums (particularly those with interesting cars) to use it for free, but would want it to be clear that such use was totally at their risk. I accept that I would have a duty of care to ensure that it was fault-free and properly serviced. Is there a standard form of words that I could/should ask them to sign up to ?

I understand your concerns, but really it's no different to lending them a trolley jack.

Isn't it different in that the lift is on OP's premises and therefore he may have a duty of care to whomever is using the lift e.g. if he didn't maintain it, removed pieces of it, broke it, etc. then told his mate to crack on, and his mate died, he'd be liable in some way surely?

Not sure of all the ins and outs but genuinely curious.

Read my earlier post....

[Eddieslofart]

Vaud said:

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

Have a look at any big chain (e.g. Kwikfit) or dealer - the kind that do genuinely worry about being sued, etc, rather than a backstreet outfit.

I have seen lots of lifts. I have never seen a hard hat.

Where’s the woosh parrot ? A lot of people forgot to duck

[Triumph Man]

Toltec said:

A1VDY said:

PPE.....most essential would be the hard hat....just in case the steel cables snapped or the locks failed...wouldnt want to be without one if the lift and car came crashing down..

I'm not sure quite how much use a perfectly intact skull sat directly on top of your pelvis would actually be.

but as a colleague said to me once, if you wear a hard hat on site, you may be horrifically maimed and killed, but at least your family will get a payout. If you don't, you'll still be maimed and killed, but there won't be a payout.

[Julian Thompson]

I would scrap the idea - I’m with the earlier poster.

My lifts are for me to use, not anyone else. The use of a 2 poster requires intelligence in terms of car positioning, consideration of weight shift during operations where larger components are removed, consideration of applied forces to the car during maintenance and myriad other nuances that you learn once you begin your journey of using a lift.

The other thing I have found is that having people in your workshop always ends with tools borrowed, missing, in the wrong place and other problems.

I don’t wish to sound uncharitable - I’m not - I have done work for my friends on my ramps - but I wouldn’t just lend the use of my workshop.

[echazfraz]

ElectricPics said:

echazfraz said:

lyonspride said:

gothatway said:

I'm in the process of buying a 2-post lift for private use. I would be very happy for local chums (particularly those with interesting cars) to use it for free, but would want it to be clear that such use was totally at their risk. I accept that I would have a duty of care to ensure that it was fault-free and properly serviced. Is there a standard form of words that I could/should ask them to sign up to ?

I understand your concerns, but really it's no different to lending them a trolley jack.

Isn't it different in that the lift is on OP's premises and therefore he may have a duty of care to whomever is using the lift e.g. if he didn't maintain it, removed pieces of it, broke it, etc. then told his mate to crack on, and his mate died, he'd be liable in some way surely?

Not sure of all the ins and outs but genuinely curious.

Read my earlier post....

I did...I was trying to get the person who was so off the mark that he's on a planet where no language has a word for "mark" to reconsider their point about lending trolley jacks.