The definite article
The definite article
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sparkythecat

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8,098 posts

285 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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The aarvark, the elephant, the orangutan

The lion , the tiger, the monkey

Do you pronounce it differently in the first line than you do in the second?

I've noticed that TV announcers are increasingly likely to use the same pronunciation, whether or not the noun starts with a vowel and, to me, it doesn't sound right at all.
So what's brought about this relatively recent change?

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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What?

CanAm

14,015 posts

302 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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sparkythecat said:
The aarvark, the elephant, the orangutan

The lion , the tiger, the monkey

Do you pronounce it differently in the first line than you do in the second?
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Yes, before a vowel the pronunciation is more like "thee".

miniman

30,073 posts

292 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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CanAm said:
sparkythecat said:
The aarvark, the elephant, the orangutan

The lion , the tiger, the monkey

Do you pronounce it differently in the first line than you do in the second?
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Yes, before a vowel the pronunciation is more like "thee".
If you pronounce it correctly, yes, but sadly people who care about pronunciation are few and far between these days frown

Higgs boson

1,105 posts

183 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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I care about pronunciation, but I can't see why this is necessary.
I'm aware that it is deemed to be the correct way.
English is a strange language.

JamesRR

284 posts

115 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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sparkythecat said:
The aarvark, the elephant, the orangutan

The lion , the tiger, the monkey

Do you pronounce it differently in the first line than you do in the second?

I've noticed that TV announcers are increasingly likely to use the same pronunciation, whether or not the noun starts with a vowel and, to me, it doesn't sound right at all.
So what's brought about this relatively recent change?
Yes, I typically pronounce it ‘thee’ before nouns starting with a vowel. I’ve also noticed this new trend away from it, and I don’t entirely understand where it comes from. I also think that the standard of grammar on television in general has decreased in recent years.

33q

1,628 posts

153 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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I have noticed this trend too. It irritates me. Standards are falling...prison is the answer!

Eric Mc

125,680 posts

295 months

Monday 29th April 2019
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It's an Americanism.

Try to say the poem "The Owl and the Pussycat" without saying "Thee Owl".

Or "The Old Grey Whistle Test".

miniman

30,073 posts

292 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Higgs boson said:
I care about pronunciation, but I can't see why this is necessary.
I'm aware that it is deemed to be the correct way.
English is a strange language.
It's no different to Le or La being truncated to L' before a vowel in French.

Triumph Man

9,605 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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I also pronounce the "d" in Aardvark

Cold

16,708 posts

120 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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T'whippet.

Fastchas

2,840 posts

151 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Sorry to say the 'B' word but when talking abour Brexit and the European Union, many political commentators or politicians pronounce it in a third way, almost breaking up the two words.
The don't say it like 'thee EU' or 'the EU' like mentioned above but more 'The. EU'

FredClogs

14,041 posts

191 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Telephant, tardvark, tantelope.

T'lion, t'tiger... Etc...

Yes there's a difference

And then she

4,399 posts

155 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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motco

17,623 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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THE tt! biggrin

Eric Mc

125,680 posts

295 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Fastchas said:
Sorry to say the 'B' word but when talking abour Brexit and the European Union, many political commentators or politicians pronounce it in a third way, almost breaking up the two words.
The don't say it like 'thee EU' or 'the EU' like mentioned above but more 'The. EU'
" Thee" before the vowel "e" is quite difficult to say. Not every vowel need to have the "Three" pronunciation before it. For instance, if the vowel "o" actually generates a "w" sound, as in the word "one", then it's more likely that the word "The" will be pronounced normally before "one" rather than as "thee". On the other hand, if the "o" vowel is pronounced as a genuine "o" as in "other", then you would say "thee other".

iphonedyou

10,416 posts

187 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Higgs boson said:
I care about pronunciation, but I can't see why this is necessary.
I'm aware that it is deemed to be the correct way.
English is a strange language.
Smooths the transition between a word ending in a vowel and one starting in a vowel. If you say it out loud it makes sense you'd change 'the' to 'thee' for clarity.

captain_cynic

17,326 posts

125 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Cold said:
T'whippet.
T'whippet good.

And then she

4,399 posts

155 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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captain_cynic said:
Cold said:
T'whippet.
T'whippet good.
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gooner1

10,223 posts

209 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Triumph Man said:
I also pronounce the "d" in Aardvark
I drop the aitch.