Would you buy this car ?? Alarm bells?
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I'd call the original supplying dealer to see if they've seen the car, and mileages.
Driven hard an M4 could easily ruin some tyres in that mileage.
If you buy the car and find out afterwards it's been clocked as you suspect, you could reject I guess.
For your protection pay a min of £300 deposit by credit card, balance with the same bank, debit or bank transfer.
Or even take a little finance on the car through the dealer, that is very powerful if things go wrong like finding out it'd been clocked.
I'd expect a few stone chips at 7,500 miles.
Last TT I sold at 4,000 miles had a few.
Driven hard an M4 could easily ruin some tyres in that mileage.
If you buy the car and find out afterwards it's been clocked as you suspect, you could reject I guess.
For your protection pay a min of £300 deposit by credit card, balance with the same bank, debit or bank transfer.
Or even take a little finance on the car through the dealer, that is very powerful if things go wrong like finding out it'd been clocked.
I'd expect a few stone chips at 7,500 miles.
Last TT I sold at 4,000 miles had a few.
Edited by Trevor555 on Tuesday 30th April 17:59
Possibly had a ‘large’ driver?
The seats aren’t all that tough, to be honest, but there’s barely a mark on mine (7,500 miles, 2 years old).
Just done a couple of pics of mine for comparison - it’s opal white though, so wear would probably not show as badly, but I can assure you there’s value virtually no marking at all.
The seats aren’t all that tough, to be honest, but there’s barely a mark on mine (7,500 miles, 2 years old).
Just done a couple of pics of mine for comparison - it’s opal white though, so wear would probably not show as badly, but I can assure you there’s value virtually no marking at all.
Trevor555 said:
I'd call the original supplying dealer to see if they've seen the car, and mileages.
Driven hard an M4 could easily ruin some tyres in that mileage.
If you buy the car and find out afterwards it's been clocked as you suspect, you could reject I guess.
For your protection pay a min of £300 deposit by credit card, balance with the same bank, debit or bank transfer.
Or even take a little finance on the car through the dealer, that is very powerful if things go wrong like finding out it'd been clocked.
I'd expect a few stone chips at 7,500 miles.
Last TT I sold at 4,000 miles had a few.
Cheers Trev, It was more of the interior wear - Ive not got that kind of wear on my E92 @ 90k and nearly 10 years oldDriven hard an M4 could easily ruin some tyres in that mileage.
If you buy the car and find out afterwards it's been clocked as you suspect, you could reject I guess.
For your protection pay a min of £300 deposit by credit card, balance with the same bank, debit or bank transfer.
Or even take a little finance on the car through the dealer, that is very powerful if things go wrong like finding out it'd been clocked.
I'd expect a few stone chips at 7,500 miles.
Last TT I sold at 4,000 miles had a few.
Edited by Trevor555 on Tuesday 30th April 17:59
[quote=PorkInsider]Possibly had a ‘large’ driver?
The seats aren’t all that tough, to be honest, but there’s barely a mark on mine (7,500 miles, 2 years old).
Just done a couple of pics of mine for comparison - it’s opal white though, so wear would probably not show as badly, but I can assure you there’s value virtually no marking at all.
Could be a massive fatty with sausage fingers round those seat buttons lol
If your not feeling it I dont think its worth it, Is the colour and spec I'm after though :-(
The seats aren’t all that tough, to be honest, but there’s barely a mark on mine (7,500 miles, 2 years old).
Just done a couple of pics of mine for comparison - it’s opal white though, so wear would probably not show as badly, but I can assure you there’s value virtually no marking at all.
Could be a massive fatty with sausage fingers round those seat buttons lol
If your not feeling it I dont think its worth it, Is the colour and spec I'm after though :-(
I believe modern cars are very hard to clock as the mileage is recorded in many ECUs in the car and in the key - not just on the dash like it used to be.
Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
Mileage blockers are an issue on these. You’d need to remove instrument panel and see if a tamper seal has been broken.
The oil service (I.e after the running in service) is 2 years from build date. Get that date and if it isn’t matching , maybe that’s an indication of someone resetting iDrive ; possibly a separate issue from above.
These are low mileage cars and I’ve know lower miles show seemingly abnormal wear and they had solid provenance.
If in doubt walk. Can’t you buy from BMW and then you’re extra safe?
The oil service (I.e after the running in service) is 2 years from build date. Get that date and if it isn’t matching , maybe that’s an indication of someone resetting iDrive ; possibly a separate issue from above.
These are low mileage cars and I’ve know lower miles show seemingly abnormal wear and they had solid provenance.
If in doubt walk. Can’t you buy from BMW and then you’re extra safe?
Deep Thought said:
I believe modern cars are very hard to clock as the mileage is recorded in many ECUs in the car and in the key - not just on the dash like it used to be.
Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
You'd be wrong. I know of someone who clocks lease cars on a very regular basis, even down to fitting par-worns on the car. They wonder why no one else does it as it's a 'cheap' way to owner a car. It's madness.Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
The wear of the seat can be down to clothing or a larger driver.
If you don't mind having a 2014 example I know of a good car for sale. And no, it's not from the person above I mention. That would just be cruel!
That seat isnt really that bad. I think becuase you are spending so much you are thinking of every tiny detail. Trust me I have seen some unpreped BMW cars before they are advertised and they are shocking in the first 1-2 years.
That seat looks genuine untouched so its realistic wear - especially as its only on that tip of the bolster. Further to that there is no sagging at all.
I have seen seen a few cars that look pristine including seats that have been clocked the s
t out of.
I have just had a look at the car on the website and checked that the alloys have OEM tyres but more importantly they have not been changed. Not sure if you have ever noticed but the wheel weights used at the factory are different from anywhere else. They have a plastic over type thing on them and more protruding. That means the tyres have never been change since new. if it was clocked its very likely to have needed new tyres. This hasn't.
on a side note though, IMHO its priced quite strongly. I wouldnt pay more than 40 for it.
That seat looks genuine untouched so its realistic wear - especially as its only on that tip of the bolster. Further to that there is no sagging at all.
I have seen seen a few cars that look pristine including seats that have been clocked the s
t out of.I have just had a look at the car on the website and checked that the alloys have OEM tyres but more importantly they have not been changed. Not sure if you have ever noticed but the wheel weights used at the factory are different from anywhere else. They have a plastic over type thing on them and more protruding. That means the tyres have never been change since new. if it was clocked its very likely to have needed new tyres. This hasn't.
on a side note though, IMHO its priced quite strongly. I wouldnt pay more than 40 for it.
SebringMan said:
Deep Thought said:
I believe modern cars are very hard to clock as the mileage is recorded in many ECUs in the car and in the key - not just on the dash like it used to be.
Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
You'd be wrong. I know of someone who clocks lease cars on a very regular basis, even down to fitting par-worns on the car. They wonder why no one else does it as it's a 'cheap' way to owner a car. It's madness.Would be worth ringing your local BMW dealer and if they can check that sort of thing if the cars plugged in to their computer.
Of interest, when we sold our A45 to a main dealer they plugged it in to do mileage checks. Apparently there is a plug in module that slows down the mileage incrementing and they check all performance cars now.
The wear of the seat can be down to clothing or a larger driver.
If you don't mind having a 2014 example I know of a good car for sale. And no, it's not from the person above I mention. That would just be cruel!
Deep Thought said:
Sorry, i had missing subtext I believe modern cars are very hard to clock {to the point where its undetectable} as the mileage is recorded in many ECUs in the car and in the key.
You are correct.Whilst changing the numbers on the instrument cluster is easy for most clockers. As you say, because modern cars are networked. Information is shared between control units. MB (and probably others now) have a test plan that basically asks if the mileage is plausible (by cross checking)
But presumably in time, the clockers will be able to defeat this too.
As ever, buy on condition and price over mileage. As above, see if the supplying or nearby dealer has ever seen the car for warranty purposes. If your gut is giving off vibes, don't buy. There's enough M4s out there that you can find the one you want. Fools rush in and all that.
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