Fire Service and no turn left
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Facebook there is a fire appliance turning left onto a cyclist with a temp no turn left sign.
Am I right in thinking the driver doesn't have exemption in that case?
I would of thought the driver failed to comply with an instructional sign.
Am I right in thinking the driver doesn't have exemption in that case?
I would of thought the driver failed to comply with an instructional sign.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 1st May 15:07
surveyor_101 said:
Facebook there is a fire appliance turning left onto a cyclist with a temp no turn left sign.
Am I right in thinking the driver doesn't have exception in that case?
Re the sign offence, depends what is written in the traffic order for the sign, some have exemption written in some don't.Am I right in thinking the driver doesn't have exception in that case?
No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
vonhosen said:
Re the sign offence, depends what is written in the traffic order for the sign, some have exemption written in some don't.
No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
So LBF took a risk turning left on a temp sign with road works then unless he/she saw the TTRO/TRO?No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
He does wide but right as a bike rider is crossing the entrance despite blues and a left hand indicator.
Here is the video>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JdDufwkxQ
Grahamdub said:
Surely the cyclist should have seen that the fire engine was indicting left and / or just got out of the way anyway ? It also did look a bit like he was deliberately trying to get run over. Maybe he had ear phones in and was unaware of what was going on around him ?
Agreed he has to shoulder some blame but the fire service driver should of planned for that twit.surveyor_101 said:
vonhosen said:
Re the sign offence, depends what is written in the traffic order for the sign, some have exemption written in some don't.
No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
So LBF took a risk turning left on a temp sign with road works then unless he/she saw the TTRO/TRO?No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
He does wide but right as a bike rider is crossing the entrance despite blues and a left hand indicator.
Here is the video>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JdDufwkxQ
surveyor_101 said:
Grahamdub said:
Surely the cyclist should have seen that the fire engine was indicting left and / or just got out of the way anyway ? It also did look a bit like he was deliberately trying to get run over. Maybe he had ear phones in and was unaware of what was going on around him ?
Agreed he has to shoulder some blame but the fire service driver should of planned for that twit.I don't think anyone would have assumed the bike was going to accelerate into that space.
How did he manage to cycle into the side of a great big red fire engine with blue flashing lights on - clearly paying no attention at all to what is going on around him!
No idea if the fire service driver has an exemption or not, but surely common sense says that emergency vehicles on blue lights might appear in odd places (wrong side of road etc), and any road user should be able to avoid that.
No idea if the fire service driver has an exemption or not, but surely common sense says that emergency vehicles on blue lights might appear in odd places (wrong side of road etc), and any road user should be able to avoid that.
Grahamdub said:
Surely the cyclist should have seen that the fire engine was indicting left and / or just got out of the way anyway ? It also did look a bit like he was deliberately trying to get run over. Maybe he had ear phones in and was unaware of what was going on around him ?
What he said ^^^.The "No Left Turn" is irrelevant IMO. If the cyclist has seen the sign then he must equally have seen the Big Red Fire Engine turning across him. Relying on a sign as a magical safety net is crackers.
I wonder if the cyclist is a DCW. To speed up ( i have trouble spelling accelerate) when is if frigging obvious what id happening and ride into the side of the appliance. is stupidity. Despite what the driver did ,the cyclist is a grade 1 bell end. I hope that is he is a compo chaser he get his arse wicked for time wasting
rscott said:
Cyclist appears to accelerate as the fire engine is turning, despite it indicating as it overtook him and the blue lights/sirens being on. Some sort of death wish/compo claimer?
TBH seems like your average cyclist that gets squashed by a left turning truck, despite the signs, lights, cyclist perspective training and audible warnings on trucks etc it still happens. Maybe educate those on 2 wheels more as well and ban earphones on bikes for a start. (I know it can't be policed like many other things)
rscott said:
surveyor_101 said:
vonhosen said:
Re the sign offence, depends what is written in the traffic order for the sign, some have exemption written in some don't.
No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
So LBF took a risk turning left on a temp sign with road works then unless he/she saw the TTRO/TRO?No exemption for Sec 3 RTA.
He does wide but right as a bike rider is crossing the entrance despite blues and a left hand indicator.
Here is the video>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JdDufwkxQ
Looks like a 'cash for crash'.
Not a lot the fire engine could do, frankly. I watched the video several times and I can't see any repeat indicators on the side of the engine; the cyclist moves off and from his position wouldn't have seen any indicators.
But in the bigger scheme of things, that's no real defence; the vehicle was making a firm intention through road positioning and indication that it was turning left. The cyclist is a moron, and for more than one reason.
The appliance would then have had to stop for the collision, meaning its progress to the emergency was delayed and another appliance sent to the scene. Lets hope it was to a kitten up a tree, and not someone bleeding to death trapped under the wheels of a lorry having tried to undertake it on a bike as the lorry turned left.
The only defence I can moot towards the cyclist is the lack of any visible repeaters on the side of the engine, so 90% fault of cyclist, 10% bad luck. 0% fault of the fire engine.
Actually, scrub that. Watch the cyclists line of view, as he accelerates away, he's looking down and only sees the fire engine at the last minute.
100% fault of cyclist. Indicative of the modern epidemic of existing in a bubble, oblivious to external influences.
But in the bigger scheme of things, that's no real defence; the vehicle was making a firm intention through road positioning and indication that it was turning left. The cyclist is a moron, and for more than one reason.
The appliance would then have had to stop for the collision, meaning its progress to the emergency was delayed and another appliance sent to the scene. Lets hope it was to a kitten up a tree, and not someone bleeding to death trapped under the wheels of a lorry having tried to undertake it on a bike as the lorry turned left.
The only defence I can moot towards the cyclist is the lack of any visible repeaters on the side of the engine, so 90% fault of cyclist, 10% bad luck. 0% fault of the fire engine.
Actually, scrub that. Watch the cyclists line of view, as he accelerates away, he's looking down and only sees the fire engine at the last minute.
100% fault of cyclist. Indicative of the modern epidemic of existing in a bubble, oblivious to external influences.
Cyclist did not properly observe the fire engine. Never saw the left indicator.
Did their best to go with it when the FE came left, but got tangled in a cone
Bad planning on both counts. Cyclist should have stayed put until the FE was free & clear. FE driver should have noticed cyclist up the inside hadn't seen FE's intent
Fortunately no one really injured as far as the video shows
Did their best to go with it when the FE came left, but got tangled in a cone
Bad planning on both counts. Cyclist should have stayed put until the FE was free & clear. FE driver should have noticed cyclist up the inside hadn't seen FE's intent
Fortunately no one really injured as far as the video shows
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