Weekly to Monthly pay for my staff
Weekly to Monthly pay for my staff
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Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

284 months

Wednesday 1st May 2019
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I need some advice. I want to move my staff from weekly paid to monthly. Their contract says they will be paid weekly.

I've broached it with a few (there are only 10 altogether) and they are not fussed one way or another. But I suspect one is going to prove difficult.

I guess what I'm asking is can I force the change? I'm not averse to introducing it gently, because cash flow can be tricky to readjust to. Like go from weekly to fortnightly to monthly over a couple months.

For me it makes a lot more sense because we are paid monthly, it would cost less, only one bank transfer instead of four or five per employee, and less man hours processing the pay.

I'm due to give the staff a pay rise, and am thinking I could enhance this as a sweetener.

NDA

24,845 posts

248 months

Wednesday 1st May 2019
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Tyre Smoke said:
I'm due to give the staff a pay rise, and am thinking I could enhance this as a sweetener.
There's probably some discriminatory reason for not doing this - but I would be giving the raise to those who move to monthly salaries as it is saving administration costs.

Tyre Smoke

Original Poster:

23,018 posts

284 months

Wednesday 1st May 2019
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That is the obvious answer but I'm sure it's questionable legally. Certainly I wouldn't feel comfortable with the division it would undoubtedly create, both between staff and between staff and me. I want less hassle, not more!

LosingGrip

8,642 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st May 2019
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Can't help, but is there any benefit to paying weekly? Or even four weekly rather than monthly?

My current job is paid four weekly and its a right pain for direct debits etc. Sometimes they come out the day after pay day...others its the day before.

Just curious from a company point of view smile.

Simon_GH

861 posts

103 months

Wednesday 1st May 2019
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Best practice would be to have a one month consultation window to hear any concerns. Hopefully this will gain agreeement. Worth checking employment regs because companies of 10 or fewer staff can have more freedom to act.

Worst case scenario, if you don’t gain full agreement and still want to move to monthly pay, would be to dismiss and re-engage staff on a new contract which states monthly pay.

Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

284 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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I can't dismiss anyone who doesn't want to change the terms of their contract!

With regard to weekly vs monthly, it saves the company money in admin time and cost to pay monthly, less bank charges in terms of payments made, and helps our cashflow.

Tim_D

312 posts

175 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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When they get paid each month (advance, arrears, inbetween) might have an impact on what the staff think and your cashflow...though the two may not align!

pherlopolus

2,169 posts

181 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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How about making it voluntary and offering an extra days holiday a year for anyone who does...

Countdown

47,392 posts

219 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Tyre Smoke said:
I can't dismiss anyone who doesn't want to change the terms of their contract!
Contract changes can be imposed if there is a strong enough reason to do so. You just need to ensure you follow the correct procedure (so i would be consulting an Employment Lawyer)

Buster73

5,521 posts

176 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Just beware a lot of folk being paid weekly are living hand to mouth , it might put some in a very tight financial position.

The last thing you want to do is cause your staff to have problems at home .

I’d explain the reasons why you want to do it , ask for their agreement and crack on , if one wants to be paid weekly it’s not ideal but hardly the end of the world.

FYI, we have both weekly and monthly paid at work .



Edited by Buster73 on Thursday 2nd May 07:08

Benbay001

5,851 posts

180 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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I worked for a company that did this.

They offered staff a loan of some description to ease them into it.

StevieBee

14,853 posts

278 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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We went through the same thing.

Legally, there is nothing stopping you making this change. You are obliged to give employees the due notice that (should) be stated in their contract.

Morally, you do need to take into account the impact this may have on the individual employees. Personally, I wouldn't enter into any consultation but as mentioned above, offering loans to pay for travel to and from work and such like is not a bad idea. You might also want to consider a phased introduction; moving initially to bi-weekly before monthly.



Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

284 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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I think I will give notice, and for any vehemently against it, I'll offer the fortnightly adjustment.

p4cks

7,349 posts

222 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Tyre Smoke said:
I think I will give notice, and for any vehemently against it, I'll offer the fortnightly adjustment.
Good compromise, in the short term.

Maybe also consider a staggered shift over an agreed period of time (6 months or so) where they'll move to monthly pay. This not only lets them see that you've understood their situation and compromised with them but also gives them time to adjust to the new way they're paid, helps with the change curve and also gets all employees to monthly pay in a relatively short space of time.

Communication is key if you want engagement in change.

Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

284 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Six months seems a long time. I'd be looking to do it in two or three at the most, with financial assistance if required in the form of a loan.

p4cks

7,349 posts

222 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Tyre Smoke said:
Six months seems a long time. I'd be looking to do it in two or three at the most, with financial assistance if required in the form of a loan.
Aye fair play. 6 was an maximum for the 'twisty' type people that you get but you could quite easily do it sooner

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

130 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Tricky one. We tried it but our lads weren't happy as they are very much Friday to Friday people. Bit of an issue with blue collar which I'm assuming you employ? In the end some went to fortnightly but only 3 of 10. I know we could have forced it but we didn't see the point. People are set in their ways. I know a couple of our lads have the routine. Give the Mrs £100 for the weekly shop, take £50 for themselves for baccy and a few pints and leave the rest in the bank for the bills. It was ever thus.

Edited by Trophy Husband on Thursday 2nd May 15:46

Liamjrhodes

383 posts

164 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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The Mrs went through this recently with her employer. They slowly increased the distance between payments over a 12 week period. It means you end up paying your employees for work they haven't done yet, but it softens the blow and should have no adverse financial issues for them

Mashwort

97 posts

177 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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just a thought on this - if the move from weekly to monthly raises cash flow concerns for your staff, could you look at introducing a payroll advance solution such as salary finance (https://www.salaryfinance.com/uk/). There are plenty of other providers of this type of service (it happens salary finance are in the same building as me!).

Benbay001

5,851 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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I also think its very important for you to stress how it will help the business, otherwise the employees will see it as you just giving them a kick.