Best small coffee machine....?
Best small coffee machine....?
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NDA

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25,199 posts

251 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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I am looking to buy a new coffee machine - it needs a few 'must' have features, not many.

  • Reasonably small sized.
  • Not capsules - will take ground coffee
  • Will take large cup sizes - not for micro espresso's
I guess a budget of around £500, but would go more for something highly recommended.

I have lost touch with the latest and greatest machines.... I've had a Gaggia for years which I've been happy with, but it's dead and the new models are a bit plastic fantastic.

Many thanks for any recommendations and links. smile

giblet

9,109 posts

203 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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From experience most small machines are espresso ones. My money would be on a bean to cup of some form, most of them can take pre-ground coffee too.

Failing that, a cheap filter machine wink

NDA

Original Poster:

25,199 posts

251 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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Thanks.

I make large espressos with my Gaggia - so am looking for something similar

Whoozit

3,865 posts

295 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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A Bialetti will do all that and cost a small fraction of £500.

Turn7

25,457 posts

247 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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Whoozit said:
A Bialetti will do all that and cost a small fraction of £500.
They dont though.....an Espresso has a lot more body and a crema that a Bialetti doesnt produce.....

Whoozit

3,865 posts

295 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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Turn7 said:
Whoozit said:
A Bialetti will do all that and cost a small fraction of £500.
They dont though.....an Espresso has a lot more body and a crema that a Bialetti doesnt produce.....
OP didn't mention espresso...

tumble dryer

2,323 posts

153 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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Whoozit said:
Turn7 said:
Whoozit said:
A Bialetti will do all that and cost a small fraction of £500.
They dont though.....an Espresso has a lot more body and a crema that a Bialetti doesnt produce.....
OP didn't mention espresso...
Espresso is the base for ALL coffee drinks. If you're not getting full extraction and crema, then you're not getting the full flavour from your roast.

Chucklehead

2,850 posts

234 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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Not sure what kind of machine you're aiming for, but the new Gaggia Classic is not plastic fantastic. It's got all the features that it should have: proper steam wand, solenoid etc.

You can probably tell I've got one, but I'm very happy with it.

Edited to add the Rancilio Silvia, which always goes head to head with the classic.

Edited by Chucklehead on Sunday 5th May 08:57

NDA

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251 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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Bonefish Blues said:
That looks pretty good.... I like the look of the A1 machine actually via that link.

I do make espresso's - but my preference is for a large cup rather than a tiny shot. I have one a day and it needs to be good.

I've never used a bean to cup machine, so the Jura could be an interesting option.

Bonefish Blues

35,432 posts

249 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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NDA said:
Bonefish Blues said:
That looks pretty good.... I like the look of the A1 machine actually via that link.

I do make espresso's - but my preference is for a large cup rather than a tiny shot. I have one a day and it needs to be good.

I've never used a bean to cup machine, so the Jura could be an interesting option.
I know a few people who have bought from there on my recommendation and all are happy smile

NDA

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Sunday 5th May 2019
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Chucklehead said:
Not sure what kind of machine you're aiming for, but the new Gaggia Classic is not plastic fantastic. It's got all the features that it should have: proper steam wand, solenoid etc.

You can probably tell I've got one, but I'm very happy with it.

Edited to add the Rancilio Silvia, which always goes head to head with the classic.
Oh thanks... will check out the Gaggia. Last time I looked Philips had bought Gaggia and their Classic replacement of the, er, Classic, was horrid. It sounds like it's changed again - I will have a look.

Will check out the Rancillo too.

tumble dryer

2,323 posts

153 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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NDA said:
Chucklehead said:
Not sure what kind of machine you're aiming for, but the new Gaggia Classic is not plastic fantastic. It's got all the features that it should have: proper steam wand, solenoid etc.

You can probably tell I've got one, but I'm very happy with it.

Edited to add the Rancilio Silvia, which always goes head to head with the classic.
Oh thanks... will check out the Gaggia. Last time I looked Philips had bought Gaggia and their Classic replacement of the, er, Classic, was horrid. It sounds like it's changed again - I will have a look.

Will check out the Rancillo too.
Gaggia now owned by EVOCA formerly N&W (Necta & Wittenborg).

They're currently going through a full model revamp with new offerings due in the near future. EVOCA's ownership should be good for the brand but I suspect it'll be the next generation that will bring the real improvements. (I provide bean to cup machinery for commercial use; pubs, clubs, hotels, restaurants, offices etc.)

Whoozit

3,865 posts

295 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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tumble dryer said:
Espresso is the base for ALL coffee drinks
Um... not really. Different strokes for different folks. Just looking at what I have at home, filter, press, cold brew, Turkish/Greek, frappe, are all different ways I have to make coffee drinks. To those, off the top of my head, you can add percolator, pourover, siphon. As well as my Bialetti.

There was a good flowchart I saw a few months back, showing the main coffee brewing types and illustrative drinks made from them. Espresso can be good but often is overroasted, rushed and quite bitter.

Edit: here's the flowchart. https://www.amazon.com/Pop-Chart-Lab-Compendious-M...



Edited by Whoozit on Sunday 5th May 09:25

NDA

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Sunday 5th May 2019
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tumble dryer said:
Gaggia now owned by EVOCA formerly N&W (Necta & Wittenborg).

They're currently going through a full model revamp with new offerings due in the near future. EVOCA's ownership should be good for the brand but I suspect it'll be the next generation that will bring the real improvements. (I provide bean to cup machinery for commercial use; pubs, clubs, hotels, restaurants, offices etc.)
I didn't know any of that it's great info, thanks. I've had two Gaggia Classics over many many years - the plastic Philips ones were pretty horrid and not as good as the original.

It may be time to try another brand - hence my question here.

I do like the simplicity of the Jura A1 which I hadn't heard of before this thread. Are they decent machines?

tumble dryer

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153 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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NDA said:
tumble dryer said:
Gaggia now owned by EVOCA formerly N&W (Necta & Wittenborg).

They're currently going through a full model revamp with new offerings due in the near future. EVOCA's ownership should be good for the brand but I suspect it'll be the next generation that will bring the real improvements. (I provide bean to cup machinery for commercial use; pubs, clubs, hotels, restaurants, offices etc.)
I didn't know any of that it's great info, thanks. I've had two Gaggia Classics over many many years - the plastic Philips ones were pretty horrid and not as good as the original.

It may be time to try another brand - hence my question here.

I do like the simplicity of the Jura A1 which I hadn't heard of before this thread. Are they decent machines?
I'm a bit of a hater tbh, but solely because they're often bought for use in a commercial environment, which they're most definitely not fit for purpose. Unfortunately they also allow any man and his dog to sell them with no proper knowledge on how to setup and programme. This usually means that by the time I meet the 'owner' they're disgruntled by the poor quality of coffee and low temperatures, in the main through expecting too much from what is a domestic B2C machine. I honestly couldn't give an opinion on domestic use.

Bonefish Blues

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249 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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I've never used one, but there are several reviews on YouTube I notice. If you did decide to buy then the piano black A1 is available new from a couple of suppliers slightly cheaper than the cheapest ex-dem machine in white from Jura.

NDA

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25,199 posts

251 months

Sunday 5th May 2019
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Good tip - thanks

dickymint

28,752 posts

284 months

Monday 6th May 2019
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What's wrong with pods? Tried many types of coffee maker except for the stupidly expensive ones. Now use a Kitchenaid Nespresso and love the ease, taste and versatility - no more buying a load of beans and having to stick to the same "flavour" for a month or two.

R Mutt

5,896 posts

98 months

Monday 6th May 2019
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Got a VonShef one for 50 quid. 15 bar pressure, steamer etc. OP isn't the only person with one x10 the cost which has broken so I'm happy to enter the world of espresso makers at the low end. Plasticy but nice chrome one for a few quid more. I've also got a stove top one, filter machine, cafetiere and drip filter so should arguably just have gone straight for a more versatile machine but I only have mine black and the cheap one will froth the milk if guests are that way inclined.