New GT4 and Spyder

[Desert Dragon]

So popped in to Porsche Hatfield for a snoop as you do.

Fell off my chair when I noticed a new Boxster GTS reasonably specced is £76,000.

Jesus last time I bought one of these new I think they were £41,000 and circa £44,000 with nice spec.

So whats the new GT4 and Spyder going to cost? I'm thinking specced maybe up to circa £90k with buckets, spyder wheels and PCCB if that GTS I looked at is anything to go by! Flipper brigade may get a shock which will be nice

[Crispystork]

Desert Dragon said:

So popped in to Porsche Hatfield for a snoop as you do.

Fell off my chair when I noticed a new Boxster GTS reasonably specced is £76,000.

Jesus last time I bought one of these new I think they were £41,000 and circa £44,000 with nice spec.

So whats the new GT4 and Spyder going to cost? I'm thinking specced maybe up to circa £90k with buckets, spyder wheels and PCCB if that GTS I looked at is anything to go by! Flipper brigade may get a shock which will be nice

nearly 80k for a non spyder boxster haha what a joke

[Twinfan]

There are currently 52 Boxster or Cayman GTSs on the OPC locator priced between £58k and £78k.

That's a lot of money for a four cylinder turbo, no wonder so many are sat waiting for buyers...

[Desert Dragon]

I had not appreciated they were 4 pots. Thats mental


What were the first GT4s being flipped for before people realised their front shock housing are made out of past sell by date chocolate easter eggs.

[TDT]

Desert Dragon said:

What were the first GT4s being flipped for before people realised their front shock housing are made out of past sell by date chocolate easter eggs.

Regurgitating tripe is unseemly mate.

For the record - Same construction materials and techniques as a 991 GT3, GT3 RS or GT2 RS.

GT4 went for upto 30K over list at one point when people thought they might be the last bastion of the Manual transmission for GT Cars - following 991.1 PDK-S only for GT3 and GT3RS

Edited by TDT on Friday 10th May 14:55

[anonymous-user]

Desert Dragon said:

Fell off my chair when I noticed a new Boxster GTS reasonably specced is £76,000.

If people are daft enough to throw that sort of money at these cars - and there seem to be plenty of them - you can't blame Porsche for lightening their wallets.

It's interesting that Boxster/Cayman are increasingly positioned as "the Porsche sports car" as opposed to "the Porsche entry model" of a decade ago.

[ghiblicup]

Desert Dragon said:

What were the first GT4s being flipped for before people realised their front shock housing are made out of past sell by date chocolate easter eggs.

[mr pg]

Desert Dragon said:

So popped in to Porsche Hatfield for a snoop as you do.

Fell off my chair when I noticed a new Boxster GTS reasonably specced is £76,000.

Jesus last time I bought one of these new I think they were £41,000 and circa £44,000 with nice spec.

So whats the new GT4 and Spyder going to cost? I'm thinking specced maybe up to circa £90k with buckets, spyder wheels and PCCB if that GTS I looked at is anything to go by! Flipper brigade may get a shock which will be nice

Can't have been £44k new. My 2 year old Cayman S cost £49k back in 2015 just after the GTS had come out.

[IMI A]

TDT said:

Desert Dragon said:

What were the first GT4s being flipped for before people realised their front shock housing are made out of past sell by date chocolate easter eggs.

Regurgitating tripe is unseemly mate.

Tripe?(and for the record hadn't even looked at this thread). Its common knowledge. I wonder if you'd take the same view if you track yours and Porsche refuse to pay out? The front shock housing failing is unforgivable in premium product but refusing to pay for the fix beyond rhyme or reason. Its a design fault/materials issue. Perhaps you can explain these pics mate? I've been in a situation where Porsche refused to pay out under warranty. Its not pleasant.

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[isaldiri]

IMI A said:

Tripe?(and for the record hadn't even looked at this thread). Its common knowledge. I wonder of you'd take the same view if you track yours and Porsche refuse to pay out? The front shock housing failing is unforgivable in premium product but refusing to pay for the fix beyond rhyme or reason. Its a design fault/materials issue. perhaps you can explain these pics mate?

But it's not quite so simple is it? There are literally multi thousand 9X1 GT cars around. The 991s have afaik the exact same cast aluminium shock tower and don't have the same issue anything like as regularly. I agree it's poor that there are such failures in the first place but it's not I think a waiting timebomb as is sometimes portrayed. Especially running stock ride heights.

[IMI A]

isaldiri said:

IMI A said:

Tripe?(and for the record hadn't even looked at this thread). Its common knowledge. I wonder of you'd take the same view if you track yours and Porsche refuse to pay out? The front shock housing failing is unforgivable in premium product but refusing to pay for the fix beyond rhyme or reason. Its a design fault/materials issue. perhaps you can explain these pics mate?

But it's not quite so simple is it? There are literally multi thousand 9X1 GT cars around. The 991s have afaik the exact same cast aluminium shock tower and don't have the same issue anything like as regularly. I agree it's poor that there are such failures in the first place but it's not I think a waiting timebomb as is sometimes portrayed. Especially running stock ride heights.

All cars have failures. Its how the manufacturer deals with them that counts. By all accounts VW/Porsche AG refusing to pay out for these failures? If thats true its awful. Not heard or seen any on a 991 but I think I read somewhere that the front GT4 shock is GT3 set up in reverse? Who knows maybe thats something to do with the higher failure rate on GT4. Its a very odd failure.

[tedblog]

Crispystork said:

Desert Dragon said:

So popped in to Porsche Hatfield for a snoop as you do.

Fell off my chair when I noticed a new Boxster GTS reasonably specced is £76,000.

Jesus last time I bought one of these new I think they were £41,000 and circa £44,000 with nice spec.

So whats the new GT4 and Spyder going to cost? I'm thinking specced maybe up to circa £90k with buckets, spyder wheels and PCCB if that GTS I looked at is anything to go by! Flipper brigade may get a shock which will be nice

nearly 80k for a non spyder boxster haha what a joke

Maybe but its the way of the world re prices . Missus company just took delivery of a £40k skoda lol
if your not buying it why worry? You dont have to buy it ?
Friend has just bought a £35k Ducati cos he can

Edited by tedblog on Friday 10th May 22:02

[TDT]

IMI A said:

isaldiri said:

IMI A said:

Tripe?(and for the record hadn't even looked at this thread). Its common knowledge. I wonder of you'd take the same view if you track yours and Porsche refuse to pay out? The front shock housing failing is unforgivable in premium product but refusing to pay for the fix beyond rhyme or reason. Its a design fault/materials issue. perhaps you can explain these pics mate?

But it's not quite so simple is it? There are literally multi thousand 9X1 GT cars around. The 991s have afaik the exact same cast aluminium shock tower and don't have the same issue anything like as regularly. I agree it's poor that there are such failures in the first place but it's not I think a waiting timebomb as is sometimes portrayed. Especially running stock ride heights.

All cars have failures. Its how the manufacturer deals with them that counts. By all accounts VW/Porsche AG refusing to pay out for these failures? If thats true its awful. Not heard or seen any on a 991 but I think I read somewhere that the front GT4 shock is GT3 set up in reverse? Who knows maybe thats something to do with the higher failure rate on GT4. Its a very odd failure.

I called it tripe - because of what isaldiri said. Its not limited to the GT4... its any 9x1 GT car... and if you actually look at the rates of failure it's still fractional and we don't really know the full circumstances for each case - was it just a normal kerb or bump? or really and elephant hump taken at 90mph+, had there been repeated hits - so a failure of attrition, was the wheel damaged also.. which would indicate a very big hit.. we could go on.
Front GT4 shock arrangement is the same as the GT3 and implemented in the same way.... i.e GT PASM is based upon upside down/inverted dampers.

Rate of occurrence might seem like it higher in GT4 probably because, GT4s are actually getting driven rather than sitting in a carcoon waiting for their values to go up! lol.

And for the avoidance of doubt - I am not defending Porsche in anyway here...but they have calculated the risk.

Edited by TDT on Friday 10th May 23:54

[IMI A]

TDT said:

IMI A said:

isaldiri said:

IMI A said:

Tripe?(and for the record hadn't even looked at this thread). Its common knowledge. I wonder of you'd take the same view if you track yours and Porsche refuse to pay out? The front shock housing failing is unforgivable in premium product but refusing to pay for the fix beyond rhyme or reason. Its a design fault/materials issue. perhaps you can explain these pics mate?

But it's not quite so simple is it? There are literally multi thousand 9X1 GT cars around. The 991s have afaik the exact same cast aluminium shock tower and don't have the same issue anything like as regularly. I agree it's poor that there are such failures in the first place but it's not I think a waiting timebomb as is sometimes portrayed. Especially running stock ride heights.

All cars have failures. Its how the manufacturer deals with them that counts. By all accounts VW/Porsche AG refusing to pay out for these failures? If thats true its awful. Not heard or seen any on a 991 but I think I read somewhere that the front GT4 shock is GT3 set up in reverse? Who knows maybe thats something to do with the higher failure rate on GT4. Its a very odd failure.

I called it tripe - because of what isaldiri said. Its not limited to the GT4... its any 9x1 GT car... and if you actually look at the rates of failure it's still fractional and we don't really know the full circumstances for each case - was it just a normal kerb or bump? or really and elephant hump taken at 90mph+, had there been repeated hits - so a failure of attrition, was the wheel damaged also.. which would indicate a very big hit.. we could go on.
Front GT4 shock arrangement is the same as the GT3 and implemented in the same way.... i.e GT PASM is based upon upside down/inverted dampers.

Rate of occurrence might seem like it higher in GT4 probably because, GT4s are actually getting driven rather than sitting in a carcoon waiting for their values to go up! lol.

And for the avoidance of doubt - I am not defending Porsche in anyway here...but they have calculated the risk.

Edited by TDT on Friday 10th May 23:54

I think Porsche have taken that calculated risk you refer to a few too many times over the years. Leaky 964s, borescoring m96/97, 991 GT3 engine failures etc. Its certainly not tripe TDT just look at those pics... to put into perspective you could take a 15 year old Honda S2000 or Mazda MX5 worth £1000 to track and put them through the same stresses as those broken GT4s and that probably wouldn't occur. This for me at least is unacceptable.

[isaldiri]

IMI A said:

Its certainly not tripe TDT just look at those pics... to put into perspective you could take a 15 year old Honda S2000 or Mazda MX5 worth £1000 to track and put them through the same stresses as those broken GT4s and that probably wouldn't occur. This for me at least is unacceptable.

But does it happen within the car's design parameters? Last I followed that issue (last year I think), the US guys who do track their cars a heck of a lot seemed to come to the conclusion that issue was mainly happening to cars that were lowered. If that was the case (and just because you can lower other cars or previous GT cars it doesn't mean one necessarily should expect the same here), as long as you are running stock ride heights it seems that problem is rather unlikely to happen and if it was happening to a car running out of OEM recommended ride height I can see why PAG are not covering it under warranty either.

[IMI A]

isaldiri said:

IMI A said:

Its certainly not tripe TDT just look at those pics... to put into perspective you could take a 15 year old Honda S2000 or Mazda MX5 worth £1000 to track and put them through the same stresses as those broken GT4s and that probably wouldn't occur. This for me at least is unacceptable.

But does it happen within the car's design parameters? Last I followed that issue (last year I think), the US guys who do track their cars a heck of a lot seemed to come to the conclusion that issue was mainly happening to cars that were lowered. If that was the case (and just because you can lower other cars or previous GT cars it doesn't mean one necessarily should expect the same here), as long as you are running stock ride heights it seems that problem is rather unlikely to happen and if it was happening to a car running out of OEM recommended ride height I can see why PAG are not covering it under warranty either.

If the stock suspension is adjustable then it should only be adjustable within those parameters IMO.

I agree if users are sticking trick aftermarket suspension running lower than recommended by Porsche then of course (even if the cars still shouldn't be going through front shock housing) all bets are off and Porsche well within their rights to refuse pay outs.

[davidc1]

Anyway.back on topic.
There was a black gts boxster in opc south London at last month at 75k.
Looked the nuts.
But overoptioned for sure. 20k of extras.
New Gt4 and spyder will cost what they cost and you can then spend a few thou on extras or 20k which ends up being bumfluffery imo.
Good luck getting an allocation firstly.