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Ken Figenus made a comment on another thread - "Wonder if the new EU GPS speed limiter applies to a DB4/2 on the Hangar Straight?" which has me pondering a few things. There's a tv commercial playing state side where a stolen car is stopped remotely through their Onstar system. Also a while back I'd seen an old Top Gear show where it was mentioned that in Japan all cars are limited to 120? on public roads.
Are all new cars being installed with gps systems that will allow them to be limited in certain areas of travel? I understand in England you pay a fee for traveling in the big city? Is that license plate or gps tracked?
Do I need to start lining my car with tin foil?
Are all new cars being installed with gps systems that will allow them to be limited in certain areas of travel? I understand in England you pay a fee for traveling in the big city? Is that license plate or gps tracked?
Do I need to start lining my car with tin foil?
old phart said:
I understand in England you pay a fee for traveling in the big city? Is that license plate or gps tracked?
In London there is a specific area called the Congestion Charge Zone. Think it is monitored by electronically reading the front number plate.
Also in London a new scheme has recently started, where an additional daily charge is imposed on polluting vehicles.
I understand that the black cabs (taxi) do not have to pay, which is perhaps controversial.
Also, cars with a licence class Historic (40+ years old) are exempt.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 12th May 20:38
JohnG1 said:
GPS signal blockers are yours for £200 on any well known Internet auction site.
How does your GPS speed limiter work when it does not know where you are?
It's coming, but I don't think it will be a retro-fit item...
Buy a couple before they become illegal to sell, or stay away from new cars.How does your GPS speed limiter work when it does not know where you are?
It's coming, but I don't think it will be a retro-fit item...
It is a bit of a concern. So as far as I understand it, new cars in 2022 will have the technology installed and made ready for a trial run when it pings at you and then later the full control can be imposed. Presumably you won't be insured if you block the GPS etc...? I am told that for example the new Alfa Guilia QF in Race mode may well be uninsured on the road as you have switched off the safety systems that make up its 5* NCAP.
So if I buy a monstrously powerful new car (hopefully an Aston) made before December 31st 2021 I'll be ok?
So if I buy a monstrously powerful new car (hopefully an Aston) made before December 31st 2021 I'll be ok?
vernierMike said:
It is a bit of a concern. So as far as I understand it, new cars in 2022 will have the technology installed and made ready for a trial run when it pings at you and then later the full control can be imposed. Presumably you won't be insured if you block the GPS etc...? I am told that for example the new Alfa Guilia QF in Race mode may well be uninsured on the road as you have switched off the safety systems that make up its 5* NCAP.
So if I buy a monstrously powerful new car (hopefully an Aston) made before December 31st 2021 I'll be ok?
GPS is not working - how does an insurer prove I blocked it? Otherwise they are just wriggling out of paying up on a claim...So if I buy a monstrously powerful new car (hopefully an Aston) made before December 31st 2021 I'll be ok?
When the Nissan GT-R was first released, I think in Japan it had the 112mph speed limiter on the road, but when the GPS detected it was at Mount Fuji Raceway, it turned itself off. That was many moons ago, so the technology must exist to be able to disable it or at least tell it the limit doesn't apply based on specific geographical locations, like race tracks.
Already mentioned previously though, my understanding of the EU regs were that vehicles just had to be factory fitted with a speed limiter - it wasn't something that would be enforced through mandatory use. There are plans afoot for traffic signs (in London specifically) to be amended to make them easier for sign recognition tech in vehicles, but it's a few years off being in a state where a limiter could be applied and the car either used GPS or read speed signs to know what to set the limiter to in a dynamic fashion.
Because of the nature of the tech being a crossover into autonomous running of vehicles, there's a lot of hesitation about bringing it in for fear of it going wrong, and insurance companies for one aren't looking forward to judging fault in the event of a claim made against an autonomously driven vehicle.
Already mentioned previously though, my understanding of the EU regs were that vehicles just had to be factory fitted with a speed limiter - it wasn't something that would be enforced through mandatory use. There are plans afoot for traffic signs (in London specifically) to be amended to make them easier for sign recognition tech in vehicles, but it's a few years off being in a state where a limiter could be applied and the car either used GPS or read speed signs to know what to set the limiter to in a dynamic fashion.
Because of the nature of the tech being a crossover into autonomous running of vehicles, there's a lot of hesitation about bringing it in for fear of it going wrong, and insurance companies for one aren't looking forward to judging fault in the event of a claim made against an autonomously driven vehicle.
NFC 85 Vette said:
There are plans afoot for traffic signs (in London specifically) to be amended to make them easier for sign recognition tech in vehicles, but it's a few years off being in a state where a limiter could be applied and the car either used GPS or read speed signs to know what to set the limiter to in a dynamic fashion.
At the point where a dual carriageway or motorway (70mph) crosses over a bridge, which has a minor village road below (30mph), I presume the GPS might be confused, hence as you say, the ability to correctly recognise road signs is also required.
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