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Mort7

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1,487 posts

132 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Seen overhead today in South Oxfordshire. Low level, landing gear down. It may have been heading for R.A.F. Benson, but from its height and direction Chalgrove Airfield, where Martin Baker ejector seats are based, looked like the most likely destination.

I didn't realise that there were any flying in the UK at the moment. Does anyone have any information?

Yertis

19,562 posts

290 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Sue it wasn't M-B's Meteor? I don't think there are any Canberras flying here at the moment.

aeropilot

39,792 posts

251 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Mort7 said:
Seen overhead today in South Oxfordshire. Low level, landing gear down. It may have been heading for R.A.F. Benson, but from its height and direction Chalgrove Airfield, where Martin Baker ejector seats are based, looked like the most likely destination.

I didn't realise that there were any flying in the UK at the moment. Does anyone have any information?
There aren't any flying in UK, (hasn't been for 4 or 5 years now) and as it was heading in direction of Chalgrove, most likely one of MB's Meatboxes, as said above.


RDBx

366 posts

228 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Yertis said:
Sue it wasn't M-B's Meteor? I don't think there are any Canberras flying here at the moment.
Thanks, saw this come in from a mile or so away and also thought Canberra possibly but only saw it side on.

Yertis

19,562 posts

290 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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RDBx said:
Thanks, saw this come in from a mile or so away and also thought Canberra possibly but only saw it side on.
Quite amazing that they're still using it. Like using an Me262 really.

Mort7

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1,487 posts

132 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Thanks for the replies.

When I originally saw it I thought it was a Canberra, but it seemed too small, and I wasn’t aware of any flying in the UK, so I thought it must be a Meteor. The person that I was with was adamant that it was a Canberra, and as I wasn't aware of the MB connection I took his word for it.

Having looked at photos there is no doubt that that is what it was.


hammo19

7,167 posts

220 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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That’s a lovely looking thing. So good MB are still using it. My dad used to arm these when he was in the RAF in Germany.

Eric Mc

124,937 posts

289 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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They have two and they have no plans to retire them any time soon.

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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When Mike Collett sold off the Classic Air Force collection, the Meteor T7 went over to the US. The NF.11 was flown to Bruntingthorpe last year to be kept as a taxing exhibit. frown A great loss both of these aircraft from our skies.

The Canberra B2 that was flown by Classic Air Force in the 90’s and 2000’s was quite a way through restoration, but that was abandoned and eventually sold on to VTTS. I doubt anything will ever come of that under the current ownership. The other airworthy Canberra a PR9 owned by MidAir, I heard had been sold to India.

Post Shoreham, no one wants to buy old jets.

FourWheelDrift

91,925 posts

308 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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anonymous said:
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Canberra PR9 XH134 was offered as a gift to the Indian Air Force Vintage Flight, joining a Tiger Moth, Harvard, ex-Air Atlantique DC-3 and others such as a Spitfire & Hurricane planned later.

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

159 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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Yes, also saw it yesterday - around 2pm, flying around Duxford (where it's on static display) as I drove down the M11. From a distance, I also thought "weird looking Canberra" from the wing shape when it banked. But the dimensions were all wrong.

Although it's showing as a static display at the show, it was definitely doing a display of some kind, with another aircraft. That was a small passenger jet (or similar) in close formation for a few circuits before they separated. Maybe for photography?

The Meteor did look gorgeous as it did a low-pass across the M11.

dr_gn

16,774 posts

208 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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Yertis said:
Sue it wasn't M-B's Meteor? I don't think there are any Canberras flying here at the moment.
Why does it have RAF markings? I’d have thought a private company would have had its own scheme.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

285 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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dr_gn said:
Why does it have RAF markings? I’d have thought a private company would have had its own scheme.
A Meteor doesn't qualify for a certificate of airworthiness never being intended to be a civilian aircraft, and if they were flown on a permit to fly they wouldn't be allowed to do aerial work. So they are on the military register despite being privately owned, like a number of Hunters.

Edited by Dr Jekyll on Saturday 25th May 16:20

FourWheelDrift

91,925 posts

308 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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Maybe because they are still military registered jets.

dr_gn

16,774 posts

208 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
Maybe because they are still military registered jets.
According to the internet they now have civilian G- registrations: G-JWMA and G-JSMA

Can they be simultaneously on both registers?

FourWheelDrift

91,925 posts

308 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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Is there a loophole to also be military registered when carrying out modifications to the aircraft. Making changes for different ejection trials that then don't need CAA approval before flying, like being a prototype/test aircraft? And then be civilian registered for normal flights.

I read (found it again) - http://www.ejectorseats.co.uk/the-chalgrove-meteor... - that WA638 is the oldest flying military registered jet.

dr_gn

16,774 posts

208 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
Is there a loophole to also be military registered when carrying out modifications to the aircraft. Making changes for different ejection trials that then don't need CAA approval before flying, like being a prototype/test aircraft? And then be civilian registered for normal flights.

I read (found it again) - http://www.ejectorseats.co.uk/the-chalgrove-meteor... - that WA638 is the oldest flying military registered jet.
The article might be out of date, I think the registrations were changed a few years ago.

aeropilot

39,792 posts

251 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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anonymous said:
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And within a few months of it arriving its new owner was killed in a crash while flying another aircraft.

FourWheelDrift

91,925 posts

308 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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That was the Venom crash last year wasn't it?

aeropilot

39,792 posts

251 months

Saturday 25th May 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
That was the Venom crash last year wasn't it?
Yes, I think that was the one.