eBay Discovery td5 bought unseen

[Fatball]

Hi. I am a newbie and unable to post in some of the forums so might as well come on here so you can laugh/cry with me after I pick up a Discovery td5 tomorrow morning after buying on eBay today. Naturally I’ve not been to view it first.

[Xcore]

Have you paid the money? If not and it’s not as described you’ll be fine.

[Fatball]

Wouldn’t be the first time a car wasn’t as described but hopefully it’s okay. 52 plate, one owner, 112k. Bodywork could be better from the pics and advertised as mechanically good with history etc....

[Fatball]

Xcore said:

Have you paid the money? If not and it’s not as described you’ll be fine.

Every intention of turning up, handing over cash and driving away. It would have to have dash lights on and fluid leaks for me to back out and it’s described as no current issues.

[snake_oil]

Link!

[Xcore]

Thesprucegoose said:

Xcore said:

Have you paid the money? If not and it’s not as described you’ll be fine.

if he lied then fair enough, but not mentioning stuff is not up to the seller, and you bid to buy, not turn up and see if you want to buy it.

eBay motors isn’t legally binding. It’s abit harsh pulling out of a sale last minute, but if the cars royally buggered I wouldn’t be handing over my hard earned!

[warch]

A car for sale has to be saleable quality, regardless of whether the vendor is trade or private. If the car isn't roadworthy or has serious issues then it must be advertised as spares or repairs. Yes it is legitimate for a private seller to deny all knowledge of mechanical issues but the buyer still has a lot of power, especially on ebay, which generally supports the rights of the buyer over those of a seller.

If it's basically ok with no warning lights on and no obvious issues then you'll be ok, just beware of the possibility someone trying to offload a troublesome money pit. These cars are in banger territory now and quite a few owners will run them on a shoestring or ignore expensive issues.

Probably a better used bet than a Disco 3 though.

[warch]

Thesprucegoose said:

warch said:

or has serious issues then it must be advertised as spares or repairs.

no it doesn't. There is no onus on a private seller to put spares repair for any serious problem that doesn't effect the roadworthiness, e.g headgasket, clutch, engine going etc..

Ask question, see the car before mitigates most potential problems, its pretty simple really. The problem with Ebay is there are gullible idiots that guy overpriced wrecks. Not you op...

No one is allowed to sell an unroadworthy car, you must declare it as unroadworthy or spares and repair. Ebay auctions are not legally binding so you can reject a car without reason.

[Gtom]

Good luck with the purchase.

I bought a focus a couple of weeks ago blind off eBay. I had paid and signed the log book before I heard it running....

I have had a new cam belt and a service and it’s now at the top of shed budget but it’s still less than a deposit on a lease.

I also bought a escort gti blind off eBay years ago, I quite enjoy the buzz, it takes me back to being a kid and going to the car auctions with my dad.

[warch]

Thesprucegoose said:

Did you read my response you are getting confused between unroadworthiness and faults that don't sffect this but could affect performance.

Also eBay car auctions ARE binding in the UK, you are confused again.

Sorry op for detracting from the thread topic.

Edited by Thesprucegoose on Saturday 25th May 05:58

I did read your post yes. Quoted from ebay rules https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/rules-policie...

'For items listed in Property and eBay Motors classified listings, bids are considered non-binding. When you bid on an item in these categories, you're expressing a strong interest in buying the seller's item, but no formal purchase contract is created if you're the winning bidder. For more details on non-binding bids, please see our full policy guidelines below'.

Sorry I'm not trying to score points but this is their official line.

[warch]

Thesprucegoose said:

''eBay Motors classified listings'' are not auctions. Have a proper read up as it is just derailing the ops thread now

Again if you actually followed the link;

Non-binding bid policy

Why does eBay have this policy?
In most product categories on eBay, when you place a bid in an auction it's considered binding – when you win an auction, you're agreeing to complete the purchase. However, there are some categories where bids don't create a formal contract between the buyer and seller.

For items listed in Property and eBay Motors classified listings, bids are considered non-binding. When you bid on an item in these categories, you're expressing a strong interest in buying the seller's item, but no formal purchase contract is created if you're the winning bidder. For more details on non-binding bids, please see our full policy guidelines below.

Properties and vehicles are usually high-priced items, and their sale is often both complex and subject to a variety of laws. As such, it will often be necessary for potential buyers and sellers to exchange additional information before completing a transaction.


Note the use of the word bid in paragraphs 1 and 2. This isn't derailing anything, the OP has bid on something and is worried about whether he/she will have to go through with the purchase if it is not as described. Ebay policy and UK law is fairly unequivocal about this, a car sold as a car and not spares and repairs or for breaking or as unroadworthy has to be fit for purpose as a car, even when sold privately

The seller must have the right to sell the car.
The vehicle should match the description given by the seller.
The car must be roadworthy – it is a criminal offence to sell an unroadworthy car and an MOT certificate from a test several months ago is no guarantee that the car is roadworthy today.

source-https://www.theaa.com/car-buying/legal-rights

Ebay bidding rules cannot and does not contradict this. Sorry OP if this is no longer relevant to your situation, but there is simply no rule that states that you must purchase a vehicle bidded upon and won.

[GazzaMogzy]

If it's not as described walk away.

[Fatball]

I might start a new thread!

Joking aside I’ve not managed to collect yet but will be in the next day or so. As mentioned, if it’s not as described then I’ll be walking away but seems legit for the time being.

[warch]

Thesprucegoose said:

Are you stupid? ebay motors classified listing are not auctions, maybe it confuses you because it has ''eBay Motors'' in it but they are not auctions,so are not binding. a

An ebay car auction is a fking auction, whatever you think and is legally binding. hell there was a thread a few years back on here where a non paying winner was taken to court and the seller won. The law is clear. Again stop just regurgitating wrong information you cannot just not proceed with the sale if you change your mind or the seller misses information, it is up to the buyer to ask pertinent questions.

here is a clip from ebay when placing an advert, as you see classified..



YOU CANNOT JUST BID ON CARS WIN, CHANGE YOUR MIND FOR WHATEVER REASON AND BACK OUT THE SALE(not withstanding private sale obligations) WITHOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE SELLER TO SUE FOR DAMAGES FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT.

Edited by Thesprucegoose on Saturday 25th May 19:06

Edited by Thesprucegoose on Saturday 25th May 19:09

Right I'll try again. I'll start with the rules on selling a car privately (quoted from the Consumer Rights Act 2015)

The seller must have the right to sell the car.
The vehicle should match the description given by the seller.
The car must be roadworthy – it is a criminal offence to sell an unroadworthy car and an MOT certificate from a test several months ago is no guarantee that the car is roadworthy today.

If you're buying online from a private seller you have the same rights as if buying face-to-face from a private seller. This also applies if you're buying online from an auction site where you bid to buy from a private seller. (ibid)

And no I'm not stupid (I know the difference between effect and affect for starters).

[agent006]

Fatball said:

I might start a new thread!

Only if you can ban this pair of gammony bellends from it.

[agent006]

Maybe just don't make any more, eh?

[warch]

So as to be constructive I have attached a buyers guide for this model from Land Rover Owner International (whom I briefly wrote for in the early 00's) https://www.lro.com/reviews/land-rover-discovery-2...

All I'd add is that the Td5 is bloody thirsty, realistically you are not going to get much more than 25mpg. They are fantastic for towing though. Also some (later?) models don't have a centre differential lock option on the hi-lo range lever and are not as good off road as a result.


Good luck OP.

[Meltham Terrier]

Check the chassis especially at the rear by the fuel tank, they can be like Swiss cheese.

[agent006]

warch said:

some (later?) models don't have a centre differential lock option on the hi-lo range lever and are not as good off road as a result.

There's a good chance that the correct lever is all they're missing though. The lock mechanism is still present and the lever can be retrofitted to some (most?) of the ones missing it.

[warch]

agent006 said:

warch said:

some (later?) models don't have a centre differential lock option on the hi-lo range lever and are not as good off road as a result.

There's a good chance that the correct lever is all they're missing though. The lock mechanism is still present and the lever can be retrofitted to some (most?) of the ones missing it.

Oh really? That sounds very likely, you'd have to have to put something where the centre diff was if it wasn't there. The example I'm thinking of belongs to a bloke we employ to drive diggers for us, the hi-lo lever is there but has no option to put the lock in or a position indicated on the lever.

One of the reasons Land Rover never fitted axle differential locks is because they didn't want inexperienced operators leaving them and screwing the transmission, perhaps they deleted the centre lock for the same reason.