"New" car breaks down 16 miles into journey home.
"New" car breaks down 16 miles into journey home.
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Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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So, this afternoon, i knocked off work early in stoke, And went to a Vauxhall dealer where i dropped off our trade in and picked up my wifes new car.
A 36k mile 8 year old astra.
The plan was a 2 hour drive to pick her up from her sister's static on the edge of the Yorkshire Dales. Have tea, and then drive an hour home.
After 10 miles i felt the car was not as responsive as i remember.
Just before reaching the M56, neae manchester airport, i stopped at traffic lights and noticed smoke coming from the front drivers side wheel.
And the smell of overheated brake pad.

So pulled in to costa and phoned the dealer.
The service manager told me the brake pads had been replaced as part of the pre-delivery service, so i guess that the cause is related to that.

They sent out a junior member of the sales team to hand over a curtesy car, and drive the astra the 16 miles back to the dealership.

Given that i wouldnt then get to the caravan until after 8, my wife decided she would come back with her brother in law and nephew tomorrow.

Anyway, cant fault the response so far from dealer. st happens right? It shouldn't but how you sort it out is important right?

Wife is really pissed off, but I am intrigued to see whether they replace pads discs and brake fluid and maybe calipers or just bodge it, by freeing it up
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My suggestion will be everything has been over heated, the saleman probably shouldnt have driven it, and will have made it worse and therefore they need to resolve it with safety in mind and err on the side of caution.

So advice from the vauhall mechanics on the forum ?

Julian Thompson

2,714 posts

267 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Well you’re basically looking at a brake caliper that isn’t retracting, most likely.

This happens for a variety of reasons. Good ones include “mechanics” installing new pads into calipers that look like they have been recovered from rms titanic. Often the slide pins receive no attention and are seized, causing issues. Other times there is slide hardware that should be replaced but doesn’t get replaced and jams up impressively with similar results. Sometimes the caliper hasn’t been retracting for four years and isn’t about to anytime soon, so the addition of a chosty new pad (complete with requisite hammering to install) creates said bonfire within short order. I think they say “they’ll bed in”. Or something.

Overall, another brakes related cluster **** in a couple of days on PH.

It’s unbelievable.

shirt

25,377 posts

230 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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If they refurb the caliper (cleaned up, new seals and pistons) make sure they do both sides.

Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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I have experience of fecking up brake pad changes myself.

And what you say was what i thought. And have experienced.


Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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shirt said:
If they refurb the caliper (cleaned up, new seals and pistons) make sure they do both sides.
Good call.


Deep Thought

40,118 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Pit Pony said:
but I am intrigued to see whether they replace pads discs and brake fluid and maybe calipers or just bodge it, by freeing it up
.

My suggestion will be everything has been over heated, the saleman probably shouldnt have driven it, and will have made it worse and therefore they need to resolve it with safety in mind and err on the side of caution.

So advice from the vauhall mechanics on the forum ?
I cant see them doing discs pads and calipers TBH. I dont think taking the calipers off and free / clean and lubricate them would be a bodge though?

dhutch

17,675 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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shirt said:
If they refurb the caliper (cleaned up, new seals and pistons) make sure they do both sides.
I expect both sides will get the same amount of seals a pistons by default to be honest. None.

Gtom

1,892 posts

161 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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How bad was the car before to make a 8 year old Astra an upgrade?

Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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dhutch said:
I expect both sides will get the same amount of seals a pistons by default to be honest. None.
I am sure you are right.



KungFuPanda

4,639 posts

199 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Gtom said:
How bad was the car before to make a 8 year old Astra an upgrade?
Also, would a main dealer sell such an old car?

dhutch

17,675 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Part ex?

A lot get auctioned, but if it's got full dealer history and a suitable buyer it does happen.


bearman68

4,929 posts

161 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Gtom said:
How bad was the car before to make a 8 year old Astra an upgrade?
Yeah, no way man would I ever drive an 8 year old car.

Gotta be at least 10 years before I'll touch it.

Coz everyone got the cash for a newer one, but who wants to eh? just no style innit.

Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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KungFuPanda said:
Also, would a main dealer sell such an old car?
36k one owner from the same desler and 8 desler stamps from said same dealer.
Franchised Vauxjall desler selling giffer spec, giffermatic, giffer approved car.

The spare has never been out of its wrapping..


Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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bearman68 said:
Yeah, no way man would I ever drive an 8 year old car.

Gotta be at least 10 years before I'll touch it.

Coz everyone got the cash for a newer one, but who wants to eh? just no style innit.
We almost did a straight swap, for her Juke. Which she cpuldnt drive due to shoulder problem
This has auto and electric handbrake..
There were no older csrs with those festures.

Jamescrs

6,345 posts

94 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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I suspect they will free up the caliper, maybe replace the pads depending on how bad they are and give it back to you again. I think expecting a complete brake overhaul is unrealistic on the car which probably has very little in it for the dealership to start with.

Gareth1974

3,477 posts

168 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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Pit Pony said:
36k one owner from the same desler and 8 desler stamps from said same dealer.
Franchised Vauxjall desler selling giffer spec, giffermatic, giffer approved car.
I’ve been after an Astra with the Giffermatic gearbox, are the changes as smooth as they claim?

Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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Gareth1974 said:
I’ve been after an Astra with the Giffermatic gearbox, are the changes as smooth as they claim?
No worse than a 215K auto omega but a touch slower. I'll report tomorrow after ive driven it 80 miles.

Got it back an hour or so ago. The service manager dropped it off at my hotel on his way home.
They have replaced pads. And that is it.
To be honest i just want to get my wife mobile again.
Not sure what to do about her other car. A mk1 mx5.
Probably should sell it and buy an old slk auto.

t.boydy

267 posts

91 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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shirt said:
If they refurb the caliper (cleaned up, new seals and pistons) make sure they do both sides.
Why??? If only one side is causing a problem?


Pit Pony

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11,201 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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t.boydy said:
shirt said:
If they refurb the caliper (cleaned up, new seals and pistons) make sure they do both sides.
Why??? If only one side is causing a problem?
Well if the problem was corrosion, then likely to be an issue on the other side at some point



Julian Thompson

2,714 posts

267 months

Thursday 30th May 2019
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Not always the case - near side runs in the grot more of the time... I’ve seen them look like they are off different cars. They both need looking at though for sure.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Thursday 30th May 21:08