Incredibly hard to get into 1st gear with engine on - V8V
Incredibly hard to get into 1st gear with engine on - V8V
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eolix

Original Poster:

14 posts

89 months

Tuesday 4th June 2019
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Hello! First post here after a long time lurking. I've had my gorgeous 07MY Vantage for almost three months now, and decided to go for a leisure drive around the Alps. Everything went fine throughout the week, until it was time to head back.

I was quite tired and decided to take the boring road back home from Chamonix to Calais, so I was doing 130km/h with Cruise, on 6th gear all the way - with almost no cars on the highways, it was uneventful.

Around Paris or so, after stopping to pay the toll, I found it extremely hard to get into 1st gear. I thought it was simply because the gear hadn't been used in the past 300 miles or so.

Stopping for fuel, same thing. It became like going through very dense putty whenever I wanted to put it into 1st or reverse, and then from 1st to 2nd. Every other gear was fine.

I stopped again, and with the engine off, I went through all 7 gears without any friction or difficulty. Even without using the clutch. However, as soon as I started the engine, the issue came back.

I barely did 3k miles on the car since I got it with 30k, and I have the RAC Gold warranty.

Any ideas on what the problem might be? Is the clutch simply gone? cylinder? transmission fluid? I've booked a garage in the upcoming week, but I'd like to hear if anyone has experienced this issue before.

Cheers!

Patrik


(edit)

Here are some photos of her:





Edited by eolix on Wednesday 5th June 13:51

Graze01

1,202 posts

122 months

Tuesday 4th June 2019
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Patrik

not sure of this will help but I would get the transaxle oil changed out as a first step to see if new fluid helps

Good luck

Graeme

john ryan

542 posts

162 months

Tuesday 4th June 2019
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This has happened without other changes, so I would suspect a dragging clutch. Is it the same if you try to select second with the engine running.

baconsarney

12,433 posts

191 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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Agree with the guys above, and as Graeme says go with a trans fluid change, normally due at 40k miles, not overly expensive so worth a punt as first action....

eolix

Original Poster:

14 posts

89 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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Thanks for the reply guys, I couldn't respond yesterday as there was some kind of forum-wide block for new users.

The issue indeed is very random. This morning, with a very cold car, I couldn't feel any problems at all. It is worrying that it can happen at any given time, however.

Graze01 said:
not sure of this will help but I would get the transaxle oil changed out as a first step to see if new fluid helps
I will book a transaxle fluid change ASAP as I don't think I'll be able to do it myself (after watching the redpants video).

john ryan said:
This has happened without other changes, so I would suspect a dragging clutch. Is it the same if you try to select second with the engine running.
Yes, it happens with second gear too, albeit slightly easier than 1st. Gears 3-6 are fine. Is this something I can adjust myself? Hydraulic fluid change or purge?


Thanks again!

Patrik

Edited by eolix on Wednesday 5th June 13:00

TR-Spider

339 posts

108 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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john ryan said:
This has happened without other changes, so I would suspect a dragging clutch. Is it the same if you try to select second with the engine running.
I would say the same.
I had experience with other cars, where the problem got worse when evrything was heated up.
When the clutch not fully opens, engaging 1st becomes difficult.
Could be air inside the clutch circuit -->bleed.

eolix

Original Poster:

14 posts

89 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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TR-Spider said:
I would say the same.
I had experience with other cars, where the problem got worse when evrything was heated up.
When the clutch not fully opens, engaging 1st becomes difficult.
Could be air inside the clutch circuit -->bleed.
Thank you for the insight, hopefully it's a minor issue. I'll write an update when I get back from the garage.

john ryan

542 posts

162 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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Unlikely to be gearbox oil in my opinion; I can't see a sudden change being affected by the oil. Bleed the clutch circuit, and maybe look for some maladjustment in the gearchange linkage.

vernierMike

397 posts

124 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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The above is good advice! When mine did this within 40 miles of picking it up, ie balking into 1st, not great into second even when hot but the rest of the gears fine, the dealer did these things in order;

Bleed clutch
Adjust gear linkage
Change gearbox oil
Change clutch!

MG-FIDO

454 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th June 2019
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I don't have an Aston but in other cars these symptoms, coupled with the fact that the gearbox selects without issue when the engine is off, have been caused by a failing slave cylinder. As above I don't think needing a fluid change would make such a rapid difference and I don't think the engine being off would affect that either.

mafisher

87 posts

148 months

Thursday 6th June 2019
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Sounds like the clutch is dragging, bleed it and if that doesn’t work, a new clutch will be required. Good news you can upgrade the clutch to a twin plate.

vernierMike

397 posts

124 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Patrik, any progress?

Be good to know how things turn out.

Lovely car, btw. Like the pic in the boat yard!

Mike

eolix

Original Poster:

14 posts

89 months

Monday 15th July 2019
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Thank you all for the kind help and suggestions! A long overdue reply, only because I went through quite an odyssey...

Basically the dealership I bought the car from refused to even acknowledge the issue, so I was on my own (no monetary help, even partial). I got some quotes for clutch replacements from 3 different garages, and was very tempted by the V12 twin-plate swap (David Appleby)

However... you guys were right.

Since the car's yearly service was almost due (August), I took it to McGurk to get both the transaxle and clutch/brake fluids completely drained and checked for metal shavings (came clear - phew!), and replaced by the proper, quality liquids - on top of the regular yearly.

Car works great now - it really does. The clutch and gear changes are incredibly smooth, like never before.

I'm not sure which of the fluids did the trick, but I'm assuming having the correct ones replaced (especially after long trips), is well worth it.

So, again, thanks to this great community! Off to enjoy some b-roads!

Graze01

1,202 posts

122 months

Monday 15th July 2019
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Patrick

Great news

Really pleased you can now enjoy the car and didn't have to spend a fortune on it

Graeme

vernierMike

397 posts

124 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Good news, a result!

Enjoy those B roads...

vernierMike

397 posts

124 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Good news, a result!

Enjoy those B roads...

QuantumV8

49 posts

101 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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I find it hard to get into 1st gear as well.

It's like the stick throws half of the way from neutral into 1st, and I can feel it thud into this midway position. Then most of the time it'll continue on and thud into 1st gear. But maybe 20% of the time it won't want to complete the second half of the throw, and I have to pull it back to neutral, release the clutch pedal, re-press the pedal, and shift into 1st.

With my limited knowledge I'm speculating that the gear selector collar is engaging the synchro (1st half of throw) but not the gear.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? Can you feel two 'thuds' or steps to get into first gear?

baconsarney

12,433 posts

191 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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This happens to me on the odd occasion, but I think it's possibly me not having the stick far enough to the left when pushing forward to engage 1st gear... scratchchin