Current lightweight 1400cc car.
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With a view to building a modified production sprint/hilclimb car from something reasonably current (say up to 10 years old). What suggestions would people have for a lightweight sub 1400cc non turbo or sub 1000cc turbo engine saloon car with proper suspension, a manual gearbox and a reasonably low centre of gravity.
It must have been made in volumes of more than 1000 a year so specialist stuff is excluded. The 1000 a year thing is sold anywhere so if it was only available in Japan for example that is fine. Something 4wheel drive would be good but they tend to be too heavy.
It must have been made in volumes of more than 1000 a year so specialist stuff is excluded. The 1000 a year thing is sold anywhere so if it was only available in Japan for example that is fine. Something 4wheel drive would be good but they tend to be too heavy.
steve-V8s said:
With a view to building a modified production sprint/hilclimb car from something reasonably current (say up to 10 years old). What suggestions would people have for a lightweight sub 1400cc non turbo or sub 1000cc turbo engine saloon car with proper suspension, a manual gearbox and a reasonably low centre of gravity.
It must have been made in volumes of more than 1000 a year so specialist stuff is excluded. The 1000 a year thing is sold anywhere so if it was only available in Japan for example that is fine. Something 4wheel drive would be good but they tend to be too heavy.
Honda Cappuccino? Peugeot 107/Citroen C1/Toyota Aygo?It must have been made in volumes of more than 1000 a year so specialist stuff is excluded. The 1000 a year thing is sold anywhere so if it was only available in Japan for example that is fine. Something 4wheel drive would be good but they tend to be too heavy.
Japanese Kei cars would be a good starting point though
sgtBerbatov said:
Honda Cappuccino?
You mean either the Suzuki Cappuccino, or the Honda Beat I guess. Either way they are both very old now, at least 25 years which is well beyond the OP's 10 year requirement. Also not particularly quick.sgtBerbatov said:
Peugeot 107/Citroen C1/Toyota Aygo?
A 1.0L normaly aspirated engine isn't going to be competitive in a 1.4L class.sgtBerbatov said:
Japanese Kei cars would be a good starting point though
OP, if you want to be competitive you should be looking at what the front runners in your chosen class are using. Do you want to run something with the engine it's fitted with, or would you consider an engine swap if the the rules permit?
Hatchback would be fine, what I should have said was not a convertible. Have pondered a cappuccino for some years as they are rear wheel drive and have proper suspension, the engine is also quite tunable and at 660cc fits in the under 1000cc class they do however tend to be either very rusty or full of welding which adds to the weight.
The rules require the original block so no engine swaps but any other mods are possible. If forced induction the capacity is muliplied by 1.4 so to run FI in under 1400 it needs to be less than 1000cc.
The Up/Mii/Citygo with a blower bolted on are I think a bit heavy as it will be up against 1960s minis with trick engines but worth a look.
Keep the suggestions coming and I will make a list and check the specs.
The rules require the original block so no engine swaps but any other mods are possible. If forced induction the capacity is muliplied by 1.4 so to run FI in under 1400 it needs to be less than 1000cc.
The Up/Mii/Citygo with a blower bolted on are I think a bit heavy as it will be up against 1960s minis with trick engines but worth a look.
Keep the suggestions coming and I will make a list and check the specs.
OnTheEdge said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Honda Cappuccino?
You mean either the Suzuki Cappuccino, or the Honda Beat I guess. Either way they are both very old now, at least 25 years which is well beyond the OP's 10 year requirement. Also not particularly quick.sgtBerbatov said:
Peugeot 107/Citroen C1/Toyota Aygo?
A 1.0L normaly aspirated engine isn't going to be competitive in a 1.4L class.sgtBerbatov said:
Japanese Kei cars would be a good starting point though
OP, if you want to be competitive you should be looking at what the front runners in your chosen class are using. Do you want to run something with the engine it's fitted with, or would you consider an engine swap if the the rules permit?
I wouldn't knock the idea of a kei car, while they're only 660cc people do get a fair amount of poke out of them, and they are very light even compared to a Fiesta etc. Even standard ones feel like they've got more than 64bhp behind them.
Are you allowed to turbocharge a non turbo 1.0? Take an engine out to the capacity limit if smaller, as long as you're using the standard block?
Are you allowed to turbocharge a non turbo 1.0? Take an engine out to the capacity limit if smaller, as long as you're using the standard block?
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