How many cars to get the good stuff?!
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I’m sure he is. I’ve no resentment for those that get allocations but the system is quite murky and feels open to exploitation. I heard a salesman was let go at a UK OPC recently for taking brown envelopes- whether that’s true or not, the lack of clarity propagates rumours.
Like the op I just want to know what I need to buy and when to get to spec my own GT car
Like the op I just want to know what I need to buy and when to get to spec my own GT car
Mad Scientist said:
So it’s been discussed many times that to get the GT allocations, a “relationship” is required with your OPC.
Now, this clown on eBay trying to flip his GT3RS has apparently “had to buy 6 cars”. But what does that really mean? 6 new cars? Mix of new and approved? 6 cars in quick succession? 6 cars over the last 5 years?
Assuming market conditions stay as they are, I’m determined to build up to getting an allocation of a GT3, but my OPC is decidedly tight lipped on their algorithms!
Basically, how do you get to be a big hitter?! (Not taking the mick! ! Genuinely interested)
Alternatively, if I need to learn a special handshake and send gifts at Christmas, do let me know.
It seems how you intend to use the car supposedly has some weight, but I’ve seen no evidence of this myself. I do a lot of track days with local Pork enthusiasts, and I’ve yet to see any of the current RS doing anything other than being detailed. I know there’s plenty of exceptions, but it’s not the norm.
Sunday coffee debate; go!
best way to get a GT car is go into the OPC and ask what cars not selling in the show room this month.Now, this clown on eBay trying to flip his GT3RS has apparently “had to buy 6 cars”. But what does that really mean? 6 new cars? Mix of new and approved? 6 cars in quick succession? 6 cars over the last 5 years?
Assuming market conditions stay as they are, I’m determined to build up to getting an allocation of a GT3, but my OPC is decidedly tight lipped on their algorithms!
Basically, how do you get to be a big hitter?! (Not taking the mick! ! Genuinely interested)
Alternatively, if I need to learn a special handshake and send gifts at Christmas, do let me know.
It seems how you intend to use the car supposedly has some weight, but I’ve seen no evidence of this myself. I do a lot of track days with local Pork enthusiasts, and I’ve yet to see any of the current RS doing anything other than being detailed. I know there’s plenty of exceptions, but it’s not the norm.
Sunday coffee debate; go!
Edited by Mad Scientist on Sunday 9th June 09:35
do that 4 times ie buy the 4 lemons every few months not selling and they will reward you with a GT car slot.
the issue is to get past the OPC DP mates slots you then have to show why you are a good client.
I Don't have mates at the dealers or have the money to buy new cars, so I got it buying a lemon stuck in their show room.
LuckyI ony had to buy 1 lemon, but I do get 3 POrkers service there and have done for 10+ years, I also gave my car back in part ex £5k below trade so they could make £10k on it and it still being the cheapest car for sale on the OPC network. (it solf within a week) £10k clear profit for them.
So over all it cost me circa £15k in losses to get my GT3, but imo that's better than paying overs as I really wanted MY spec a Folding bucket, manual CS car as I hate 918 seats.
help them out they will help you out. but it's stil backward overs and buying OPC cars.
At the risk of over simplifying the situation here's how i think it works, well at least in my case..If you buy new non special Porsches on a regular basis, take some finance, p/x all Porsches back to the same OPC and be easy to deal with and laid back in all ways then you'll be rewarded with being offered the special ones..I've lost money on all my regular Porsches over the years which is fair enough and sold all my special GT ones back to my OPC after a couple of years of use with a few thousands miles on the clock..I've never made money on any Porsche which is at it should be.
What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
Plenty discussed on this on the forums already but basically it depends which OPC you are dealing with. A few are Porsche owned a few are independently owned but most are franchised operations to the large groups such as JCT Sytner Pendragon etc and to a lesser extent Rybrook and now Bowker. These larger networks tend to have high levels of staff turnover including senior staff which makes dealing with a specific person and building a dealing relationship even more of a lottery.
Generally you need to be buying a good number of mainstream or vanilla Porsches either new or used before you will ever be considered for a new GT slot. The days of ordering a GT with no buying history just because your face fits have long gone despite the likely increase in numbers of the forthcoming run of GT cars such as the GT4 etc.
The biggest mistake many make is to walk in to the OPC and ask/demand what is needed to guarantee a GT Porsche slot. It doesn't work like that and as in life generally there are no guarantees and I know of at least three OPC customers who have ordered plenty of new cars and used the OPC for servicing etc but still been refused a slot even for a GT4.
You could try the multi vanilla car route which will prove expensive but imo with the ever expanding gravy train of folks jumping on the bandwagon trying to secure a Porsche GT slot primarily with the aim of free motoring in a desirable car you would be better off buying a lightly used GT Porsche from your OPC that you really like, show them how enthusiastic you are then trade it back for another GT car rinse and repeat over time then try and secure a new slot for a GT Porsche. Yes you will be paying overs and it will cost you on the p ex but imo much less than the depreciation hit on new vanilla Porsches which is often quite steep. The 981 GT4 would be a good purchase from your OPC and unlikely to cost you much in the grand scheme of things.
Good luck.
Generally you need to be buying a good number of mainstream or vanilla Porsches either new or used before you will ever be considered for a new GT slot. The days of ordering a GT with no buying history just because your face fits have long gone despite the likely increase in numbers of the forthcoming run of GT cars such as the GT4 etc.
The biggest mistake many make is to walk in to the OPC and ask/demand what is needed to guarantee a GT Porsche slot. It doesn't work like that and as in life generally there are no guarantees and I know of at least three OPC customers who have ordered plenty of new cars and used the OPC for servicing etc but still been refused a slot even for a GT4.
You could try the multi vanilla car route which will prove expensive but imo with the ever expanding gravy train of folks jumping on the bandwagon trying to secure a Porsche GT slot primarily with the aim of free motoring in a desirable car you would be better off buying a lightly used GT Porsche from your OPC that you really like, show them how enthusiastic you are then trade it back for another GT car rinse and repeat over time then try and secure a new slot for a GT Porsche. Yes you will be paying overs and it will cost you on the p ex but imo much less than the depreciation hit on new vanilla Porsches which is often quite steep. The 981 GT4 would be a good purchase from your OPC and unlikely to cost you much in the grand scheme of things.
Good luck.
Taffy66 said:
At the risk of over simplifying the situation here's how i think it works, well at least in my case..If you buy new non special Porsches on a regular basis, take some finance, p/x all Porsches back to the same OPC and be easy to deal with and laid back in all ways then you'll be rewarded with being offered the special ones..I've lost money on all my regular Porsches over the years which is fair enough and sold all my special GT ones back to my OPC after a couple of years of use with a few thousands miles on the clock..I've never made money on any Porsche which is at it should be.
What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
To pick out an en example I really dislike though is, current GT3 owners should not have got RS slots.What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
Even RS owners are part exing Brand new RS cars for WP RS cars.
the real flippers now are the OPC giving Gt cars to people who already have current Gt cars.
That’s my pet hate as OPC are the flippers now days 90% of the time, we have 3 or 4 brand new RS for sale, I bet all 4 were flipped for WP RS slots,
And you flipped your GT3 for an RS slot.
I don’t like this practice one bit, spread the sales imo as each OPC has a big list of good clients, why keep giving cars to the same people !
Lucky I did not want an RS so did not ask, I love the look but feel they are a bit pointless to own unless you own a garage space at SPa or the ring.
Manual cars still rule for me as a hobby and the drive.
JayK12 said:
Just go buy a 600LT, deal with the depreciation rather than the taste of the DP's a
hole.
not many can deal with a £50k PA loss !hole. be a nice buy at £150k but feel they are under tyred and with 100BHP more they are slower than the current RS products on track !
Add in no good dealer support, HIGH service and warranty costs, the ave person cannot jump ship to one.
My money if I wanted an Automatic super car at £200k would be the Lambo Perf every time.
All OPCs vary and there are no exact rules for GT allocations anywhere as far as I can see. The more cars you buy the better your chances seems to be the only common ground. Each round sees all interested parties assessed versus the number of cars available, which is how it should be IMHO.
The same people getting all the cars, or successive GT3/GT3RS/GT3RS-WP allocations is very annoying for some I'm sure, but it's business. If you're the DP you will of course keep your best customers happy.
The same people getting all the cars, or successive GT3/GT3RS/GT3RS-WP allocations is very annoying for some I'm sure, but it's business. If you're the DP you will of course keep your best customers happy.
Porsche911R said:
JayK12 said:
Just go buy a 600LT, deal with the depreciation rather than the taste of the DP's ahole.
not many can deal with a £50k PA loss !hole. be a nice buy at £150k but feel they are under tyred and with 100BHP more they are slower than the current RS products on track !
Add in no good dealer support, HIGH service and warranty costs, the ave person cannot jump ship to one.
My money if I wanted an Automatic super car at £200k would be the Lambo Perf every time.
By the time most people have brought Porsches and sold back to the dealer they have a 50K loss and no guarantee of a GT product.
Id have the Gallardo Perf, prefer the older stuff
Edited by JayK12 on Sunday 9th June 11:30
Porsche911R said:
Taffy66 said:
At the risk of over simplifying the situation here's how i think it works, well at least in my case..If you buy new non special Porsches on a regular basis, take some finance, p/x all Porsches back to the same OPC and be easy to deal with and laid back in all ways then you'll be rewarded with being offered the special ones..I've lost money on all my regular Porsches over the years which is fair enough and sold all my special GT ones back to my OPC after a couple of years of use with a few thousands miles on the clock..I've never made money on any Porsche which is at it should be.
What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
To pick out an en example I really dislike though is, current GT3 owners should not have got RS slots.What i detest are pretend Porsche enthusiasts, who when they get the special ones, have no intention of driving them and flip them for a profit with a couple of hundred miles on the odo..
Unfortunately this is the current situation and if i was in charge i'd make everyone who buys a GT Porsche only sell back to the supplying OPC at list in the first year..I'd make them sign a legal document to this effect..
Even RS owners are part exing Brand new RS cars for WP RS cars.
the real flippers now are the OPC giving Gt cars to people who already have current Gt cars.
That’s my pet hate as OPC are the flippers now days 90% of the time, we have 3 or 4 brand new RS for sale, I bet all 4 were flipped for WP RS slots,
And you flipped your GT3 for an RS slot.
I don’t like this practice one bit, spread the sales imo as each OPC has a big list of good clients, why keep giving cars to the same people !
Lucky I did not want an RS so did not ask, I love the look but feel they are a bit pointless to own unless you own a garage space at SPa or the ring.
Manual cars still rule for me as a hobby and the drive.
I do agree however, they should spread the allocation a bit more for genuine enthusiasts. I'm going to see how the land lies with my DP for a 992 but I do wonder if the 991 might be the high water mark for desirability.
browngt3 said:
Don't believe Taffy flipped his GT3 to get the RS. He p/ex it, so not quite the same thing. Also, I understand he was after one for some time so you might view it as a just reward.
I do agree however, they should spread the allocation a bit more for genuine enthusiasts. I'm going to see how the land lies with my DP for a 992 but I do wonder if the 991 might be the high water mark for desirability.
its the same thing, bar a few words and the OPC will flip it on his behalf, it is what it is, a current GT product being flipped for a current GT product rather than going to some one new in the list.I do agree however, they should spread the allocation a bit more for genuine enthusiasts. I'm going to see how the land lies with my DP for a 992 but I do wonder if the 991 might be the high water mark for desirability.
No owner in the current line up should be offered a GT3 and a RS imo, yes 991.1 GT3 to RS, but not a 991.2 Gt3 to RS.
only my view but to me it stinks.
av185 said:
Flipping is selling a car for full overs within a short time after delivery with few miles on at maximum profit outside the OPC network.
call it what you like flipping a car with sub 2k miles on it for a same model year car is flipping, just not for the same full overs. you get a lot of the cars also, you say it's not flipping but you get every model which to my eyes is VERY wrong.
It's pretty black and white what I would do as a OPC (spread the love to more owners), so no need to have a debate on it ;-)
people who get all the cars will disagree, people who don't get anything will agree.
nothing will change as the OPC's are the flippers now causing the issue.
only new GT cars I have had from my OPC were the GT4 >3 years ago to the new 991.2 GT3, I asked for a 991.1 GT3, but got a GT4 which I then part exed at a big loss for my GT3 and > 3 year gap, I still own the GT3.
any one getting more than that in the same model is flipping to their own advantage imo and the OPC fund this.
people are Getting RS WP cars who already had RS 991.2 cars !!! and now OPC have these up at £225k !
people are getting GT4 and Spyders ! it's not right imo.
it's the modern flipper, ie not the £70k profit del mile flippers from yesteryear. But still flippers in my eyes and most peoples.
The models moved on but it's flipping as now most good OPC will split the profit with their client.
And once you are in the that circle the OPC love it as it's easy money and sales for every one.
I got in the circle, but don't want any of the new cars ! I am not sure a manual 991.2 GT3 can be bettered, time will tell.
I want the car not the money or the lastest and greatest. Every one I know would have sold my GT3, but they don't like cars that much so don't get it.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 9th June 12:25
Porsche911R said:
av185 said:
Flipping is selling a car for full overs within a short time after delivery with few miles on at maximum profit outside the OPC network.
call it what you like flipping a car with sub 2k miles on it for a same model year car is flipping, just not for the same full overs. you get a lot of the cars also, you say it's not flipping but you get every model which to my eyes is VERY wrong.
It's pretty black and white what I would do as a OPC (spread the love to more owners), so no need to have a debate on it ;-)
people who get all the cars will disagree, people who don't get anything will agree.
nothing will change as the OPC's are the flippers now causing the issue.
I have bought many new and used cars from OPCs over the years and lost alot in depreciation nor did I get a GT3 RS allocation although I prefer the GT3 as you know not least because of the 'manuel' gearbox option.
Yes it would be great if we could go back to just anyone being able to order a GT car but the problem with your theory of 'spreading the love' with these cars is many as we have seen jump on the gravy train merely for a quick buck so their car is immediately flipped through the Indies as the 3 GT3s at Redline shortly after delivery show so if you were a DP I doubt you would adopt this policy which would fail spectacularly as a business model and short of a contract forcing new GT cars seeing sold back to the OPC the existing model is currently the only viable option.
Btw I disagree that OPCs split the profit overs on a car as most are traded back at otr list.
The other point is that there is a possibility the next run of GT Porsches will be subject to a time moratorium on reselling within a specific time period as happened with 981 GT4. Although the 'bad press' on this at the time actually turned out to be 'good press' for Porsche hence further fuelling the bunfight over future allocations.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 9th June 12:38
Edited by av185 on Sunday 9th June 12:44
av185 said:
But if Taffys (or any of us btw) aim was to maximise profit he/we could have simply sold the GT3 a day after delivery at say £180k privately or independent last summer and banked £50k tax free. But he/we have chosen to run the car for 3k miles whatever and potentially lose £50k by part exing and giving it back to the OPC.
I have bought many new and used cars from OPCs over the years and lost alot in depreciation nor did I get a GT3 RS allocation although I prefer the GT3 as you know not least because of the 'manuel' gearbox option.
Yes it would be great if we could go back to just anyone being able to order a GT car but the problem with your theory of 'spreading the love' with these cars is many as we have seen jump on the gravy train merely for a quick buck so their car is immediately flipped through the Indies as the 3 GT3s at Redline shortly after delivery show so if you were a DP I doubt you would adopt this policy which would fail spectacularly as a business model and short of a contract forcing new GT cars seeing sold back to the OPC the existing model is currently the only viable option.
flipping has evolved that's all, it's still flipping for a free to use car and the latest and greatest model.I have bought many new and used cars from OPCs over the years and lost alot in depreciation nor did I get a GT3 RS allocation although I prefer the GT3 as you know not least because of the 'manuel' gearbox option.
Yes it would be great if we could go back to just anyone being able to order a GT car but the problem with your theory of 'spreading the love' with these cars is many as we have seen jump on the gravy train merely for a quick buck so their car is immediately flipped through the Indies as the 3 GT3s at Redline shortly after delivery show so if you were a DP I doubt you would adopt this policy which would fail spectacularly as a business model and short of a contract forcing new GT cars seeing sold back to the OPC the existing model is currently the only viable option.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 9th June 12:38
by now on a computer after 5 years it's easy to see who your better clients are and who are selling cars out the network.
the del miles £50k profit cars has reduced some what, but that will always happen as money changes hands behind doors.
no one should be forced to hand back cars or keep cars, you can be blacklisted if you sell a brand new car (but these imo are more insider flipping) . just don't allow same model years cars to keep going to the same people, it's pretty simple in my eyes.
Sytners had a s
t fest of issues with sackings and money changing hands.you have 8 dealers and that means 40 people who can sell cars to mates and split the money !
the issue is people who get the cars don't rock the boat, but a lot has gone on which is not in the public eye.
current flippers for del mile cars imo are insider flips.
the modern flipper is just doing it a new way which has taken off in the last 2 years. it's all flipping ! just the OPC's rule the flip.
av185 said:
Porsche911R said:
av185 said:
Flipping is selling a car for full overs within a short time after delivery with few miles on at maximum profit outside the OPC network.
call it what you like flipping a car with sub 2k miles on it for a same model year car is flipping, just not for the same full overs. you get a lot of the cars also, you say it's not flipping but you get every model which to my eyes is VERY wrong.
It's pretty black and white what I would do as a OPC (spread the love to more owners), so no need to have a debate on it ;-)
people who get all the cars will disagree, people who don't get anything will agree.
nothing will change as the OPC's are the flippers now causing the issue.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 9th June 12:38
Edited by av185 on Sunday 9th June 12:44
For the OPC it's just business. For the flippers it's also just business. That's the key difference with us as enthusiasts
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