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Barely had time to breathe today fellas let alone post on ph...
Just thought I'd comment on the 996TT VS 360M debate. Courtesy of Dazren I can safely say that the 996TT is F A S T.
In fact, its F
KING FAST!!
Especially with the 450bhp upgrade, I think it will walk away from a 360M, and pretty much every other production Ferrari - definitely a 550M and 90% likely a 575M too. Moreover I reckon that the you need something like an F40 to keep up.
What I found riding with Daz was that there was NO drama, no width issue to contend with, not much noise, easy to see out of (Daz -would you say the driving position is perfect too?) - just a normal car - I found it was fantastically well built - it was a BMW 330Ci.....
But when the throttle is pressed to the floor.....
Consumate, and (sorry about the cliche) RUTHLESSLY efficient...
Instead of a Ferrari? - Just don't know because it's just sooo good - but then I'm a total true and utter mega-diehard Tifosi
Along with a Ferrari? - in an ideal world - definitely.
Thanks for the ride Daz - it really explained the (previously lost-on-me) appeal of the car.
Just thought I'd comment on the 996TT VS 360M debate. Courtesy of Dazren I can safely say that the 996TT is F A S T.
In fact, its F
KING FAST!! Especially with the 450bhp upgrade, I think it will walk away from a 360M, and pretty much every other production Ferrari - definitely a 550M and 90% likely a 575M too. Moreover I reckon that the you need something like an F40 to keep up.
What I found riding with Daz was that there was NO drama, no width issue to contend with, not much noise, easy to see out of (Daz -would you say the driving position is perfect too?) - just a normal car - I found it was fantastically well built - it was a BMW 330Ci.....
But when the throttle is pressed to the floor.....
Consumate, and (sorry about the cliche) RUTHLESSLY efficient...
Instead of a Ferrari? - Just don't know because it's just sooo good - but then I'm a total true and utter mega-diehard Tifosi
Along with a Ferrari? - in an ideal world - definitely.
Thanks for the ride Daz - it really explained the (previously lost-on-me) appeal of the car.
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Yeah,
That 996 was sure a quick motor...Daz what perfomance figures have you got for it? ...didn't ask on Sunday,was a little shell shocked!
Steve
Hi guys.
Glad you enjoyed the acceleration demonstrations within the confines of her majestys speed limits.
I've today picked up a copy of autocar at the petrol station and it has an acceleration and braking 0-100-0 mph test for a few performance cars. The figures for the 996tt with the X50 power upgrade pack is as follows.
0 to 30 is 1.58 seconds.
0 to 60 is 3.78 seconds.
0 to 100 is 8.43 seconds.
100 to 0 is 4.23 seconds.
cheers
DAZ
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The figures for the 996tt with the X50 power upgrade pack is as follows.
0 to 30 is 1.58 seconds.
0 to 60 is 3.78 seconds.
0 to 100 is 8.43 seconds.
100 to 0 is 4.23 seconds.
cheers
DAZ
Yikes! That is bordering on the de-ranged. Although these things are difficult to measure when all you're equipped with is the John Noakes cornflakes box self-assembly based timing kit, a fellow psycho has timed my 993 on the 60 dash with broadly similar times (circa 3.6-3.8) although 100 seemed to be a straight 8;
Clearly things are sub-Ultima so a combination of bigger horsepower hike and Domster/RoadRunner's tips look somewhat essential.
But wow; these figures with 'only' 450bhp are nothing short of tremendous. And you get to stay on the road too! Which is nice. And the 996TT shape? Oi reckons oim beginnin' t'loike veery march indeedy.
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If fact Guys Ultima would prove a good challenge - if he would pay more attention to the road instead of ahem...other stuff....
Are you talking about his sudden interest in TVRs
Re Derestrictor's mods, Simon, our northern nutcase, has extracted 490bhp from the engine, and has tweaked the suspension until it sings. Went to Germany for the conversion, apparently.
- That will explain the blurring of my peripheral vision as it came on boost then!!!! I knew it had to be less than 9 to 100MPH. I think my estimation of 8.5 wasn't bad then 
Saw autocar results and the 996TT results were pretty amazing really. The Lambo couldn't get near it.
Daz and Lee,
lovely motors guys!
. Lee's sounded nice too: when we arrived at the VW parking I heard Lee's car be referred to as "the loud one". 
Daz, I think you prefer your car silent but violent? (Shame you weren't there to drive it though, must say the guy who did drive was very "enlightening")
Saw autocar results and the 996TT results were pretty amazing really. The Lambo couldn't get near it.
Daz and Lee,
lovely motors guys!
. Lee's sounded nice too: when we arrived at the VW parking I heard Lee's car be referred to as "the loud one". Daz, I think you prefer your car silent but violent?
(Shame you weren't there to drive it though, must say the guy who did drive was very "enlightening")quote:
Erm.. Derestrictor - what derestrictions have been made to you 993TT that make it run to 100mph in 8.0???
Salve, Manu!
Whoa, dude; I did say this wasn't exactly high tech measuring equipment!
Nevertheless, the beetle feels considerably quicker than any other car I've personally guided with any significant malevolence aforethought.
Only an uber Skyline made me question it's ability and I'm sure the Ultimas would show me the way home.
If you can get a good take off (remember, the clutch/throttle balance in the 993TT variants was never utterly smooth), it's searing lurch forward verges on the preposterous. The reviews of the RUF 996 with 520bhp sound not dissimilar and if 90kg were lost (without too much pain, according to fellow fruitcakes hereabout) and the 545 upgrade was pursued then Gawd knows...
The strange thing with many of the 911 conversions though is the sacrifice with some of the bigger turbo spooling times of the initial off the line 'bam.' Fortunately, I would say I haven't experienced this to-date but Tech9 has told me to expect a 'slight' drop in the traffic light grand prix stakes but a significant heave from medium revs - which could get the 100 sprint over in slightly less limp wristed fashion.
I think I listed the changes elswhere when first I alighted upon PH but basically everything you'd expect; new exhaust system, remapped ECU, uprated cams, rings, rods, filters although the standard clutch and cooler are fine for sub-500 applications...
The suspension is on it's second fettle following a 'too harsh for the road' trackday formula and now keeps it's chin scraping to a minimum c/o Messrs. Bilstein.
I guess as with all these things, the figures are purely for the pub bar collective: what your good self, Daz, Lee77, Kevin, Domster and all the Tiv addicts know is that ALL these buggers are internal organ rearrangers.
I hail you all.
BTW, do we know if there are any Tuscan R owners on PH yet (or even if any have been shipped)?
I was speaking to an ex-GT2 owner yesterday and we were discussing these figures.
He said the lack of traction from 2wd means that the car would be slower to 30, 60, and probably only a tenth or 2 quicker to 100mph.
Once in full flow, it would be discernibly quicker than the 996TT to 150mph and beyond.
In fact he said that he raced a Subura Impreza WRX STI and said that the scooby thrashed him off the line and he could only get away when he had the car was in 3rd.....
In the same Autocar I think the Jag F1 car did 0-60 in 2.53!
He said the lack of traction from 2wd means that the car would be slower to 30, 60, and probably only a tenth or 2 quicker to 100mph.
Once in full flow, it would be discernibly quicker than the 996TT to 150mph and beyond.
In fact he said that he raced a Subura Impreza WRX STI and said that the scooby thrashed him off the line and he could only get away when he had the car was in 3rd.....
In the same Autocar I think the Jag F1 car did 0-60 in 2.53!
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True enough, from a standing start, there's probably not much in it up to 100mph.
I was more interested in how the lower weight, carbon brakes, and wider tyres would aid braking.
The GT2 is 100kg lighter than a 996tt. The figures quoted above are for an X50 factory power upgrade to 450bhp. The turbo in this guise and the GT2 have the same peak torque of 457lb/ft.
The ceramic brakes on a GT2 are are 5kg per corner lighter. This will aid handling in corners. The ceramics do not brake quicker, their real benefit is in not overheating for instance on a track.
Of course all this is academic as most drivers of these cars drive to the drivers limits rather than the cars! A porsche salesman has told me that unless you're a racing driver, you're better off with the turbo with all the electronic gimicks that protect you from yourself and thus makes more of the cars power useable.
cheers
DAZ
(PS - I know of a belgique guy who has had ceramics put on his 996tt who confirms the story of no better braking but less likely to overheat. He had the ceramics put on as he's a nurburgring junky).
Hmmm, ceramic discs.
I wonder if drilling some holes in a dinner plate would be a cost effective solution. I'm not sure the 6k or so Porsche require is terribly good value.
Obviously, being an RS I couldn't have a floral motif on my 'ceramic brake discs' otherwise the other 911s would laugh at it. Maybe a nice Blue Derby design.
I wonder if drilling some holes in a dinner plate would be a cost effective solution. I'm not sure the 6k or so Porsche require is terribly good value.
Obviously, being an RS I couldn't have a floral motif on my 'ceramic brake discs' otherwise the other 911s would laugh at it. Maybe a nice Blue Derby design.
Sorry, I was referring to 0-100-0 times, specifically the difference in stopping time (given the 0-100 time is "thereabouts")
Given the GT2 is 140Kg lighter (less momentum), has wider tyres (greater grip), and PCCB brakes which have consistent friction during the entire deceleration process, one would expect it to stop sooner.
Given the GT2 is 140Kg lighter (less momentum), has wider tyres (greater grip), and PCCB brakes which have consistent friction during the entire deceleration process, one would expect it to stop sooner.
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