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I think I read a story somewhere about one of those large Car Supermarkets and how there is a post office around a 15 minute drive away.
The police would station someone just outside the supermarket and it was literally "fish in a barrel" on people driving untaxed.
As most garages give you the facility to use a computer of people with mobiles - taxing online is now preferred and it's probably no longer worth their while.
The police would station someone just outside the supermarket and it was literally "fish in a barrel" on people driving untaxed.
As most garages give you the facility to use a computer of people with mobiles - taxing online is now preferred and it's probably no longer worth their while.
Liamjrhodes said:
Yes, driving without tax is always an issue. if you are spotted by any police or ANPR cameras you are likely to be caught.
On the other hand there are thousands of cars driving around various places without tax mot and insurance and only a handful are caught.
The risk is yours to take
No it's not. You can drive to or from a prebooked MOT without tax.On the other hand there are thousands of cars driving around various places without tax mot and insurance and only a handful are caught.
The risk is yours to take
What would happen if it failed!?
This of course assumes you are going for an MOT and not just driving to any ol garage to visit a mate! It also doesn't apply to cars just bought which do need to be taxed before leaving the garage/dealer/supermarket.
And the car does need to be insured.
NGee said:
Liamjrhodes said:
Yes, driving without tax is always an issue. if you are spotted by any police or ANPR cameras you are likely to be caught.
On the other hand there are thousands of cars driving around various places without tax mot and insurance and only a handful are caught.
The risk is yours to take
No it's not. You can drive to or from a prebooked MOT without tax.On the other hand there are thousands of cars driving around various places without tax mot and insurance and only a handful are caught.
The risk is yours to take
What would happen if it failed!?
This of course assumes you are going for an MOT and not just driving to any ol garage to visit a mate! It also doesn't apply to cars just bought which do need to be taxed before leaving the garage/dealer/supermarket.
And the car does need to be insured.
So drive it back from the garage as long as it's insured and MOT'ed, and do the tax when you get home. I mean even Liverpool's open topped bus wasn't taxed when they used it the other week and the place was swarming with police then, nothing happened.
I drove to Kent from Gloucestershire when I bought a car, obviously the V5 hadn't been sent off in the post. I forgot to tax it when I bought it just did the insurance and was lucky to get home without getting stopped. Decided to tax it that evening online on my PC just in case, but car did have tax with the previous owner so I doubt it would flag with any ANPR. Drove it back at 10PM across the M25 etc.
Personally in your circumstances, phone a friend to read out your logbook, ask a partner to ferry it down, or get a taxi/bus there and back - it's almost certainly cheaper than the fine. I think the law is pretty clear cut if your vehicle has NO tax - if it was taxed under a previous owner I'd just suggest driving it at night very carefully crossing your t's and dotting your i's and tax it when you got home.
If you definitely know a route home without ANPRs or police then risk it at night by all means - but 30 mins car journey is probably not going to be any worse than an hour and a bit or a couple of cheap ubers or a case of beers for your neighbour/friend there and back! Did it once to get car out of a garage to take back home to do last of the fixes before an MOT retest at another garage but that was a 5 minute ride in comparison to 30 - and there's definitely no legal comeback for that unless the officer is feeling very nice!
Personally in your circumstances, phone a friend to read out your logbook, ask a partner to ferry it down, or get a taxi/bus there and back - it's almost certainly cheaper than the fine. I think the law is pretty clear cut if your vehicle has NO tax - if it was taxed under a previous owner I'd just suggest driving it at night very carefully crossing your t's and dotting your i's and tax it when you got home.
If you definitely know a route home without ANPRs or police then risk it at night by all means - but 30 mins car journey is probably not going to be any worse than an hour and a bit or a couple of cheap ubers or a case of beers for your neighbour/friend there and back! Did it once to get car out of a garage to take back home to do last of the fixes before an MOT retest at another garage but that was a 5 minute ride in comparison to 30 - and there's definitely no legal comeback for that unless the officer is feeling very nice!
Edited by mrciarano on Monday 10th June 16:35
mrciarano said:
Personally in your circumstances, phone a friend to read out your logbook, ask a partner to ferry it down, or get a taxi/bus there and back - it's almost certainly cheaper than the fine. I think the law is pretty clear cut if your vehicle has NO tax - if it was taxed under a previous owner I'd just suggest driving it at night very carefully crossing your t's and dotting your i's and tax it when you got home.
If you definitely know a route home without ANPRs or police then risk it at night by all means - but 30 mins car journey is probably not going to be any worse than an hour and a bit or a couple of cheap ubers or a case of beers for your neighbour/friend there and back! Did it once to get car out of a garage to take back home to do last of the fixes before an MOT retest at another garage but that was a 5 minute ride in comparison to 30 - and there's definitely no legal comeback for that unless the officer is feeling very nice!
What a load of bIf you definitely know a route home without ANPRs or police then risk it at night by all means - but 30 mins car journey is probably not going to be any worse than an hour and a bit or a couple of cheap ubers or a case of beers for your neighbour/friend there and back! Did it once to get car out of a garage to take back home to do last of the fixes before an MOT retest at another garage but that was a 5 minute ride in comparison to 30 - and there's definitely no legal comeback for that unless the officer is feeling very nice!
ks - see my earlier post or this from the gov website:-Gov Website said:
If the MOT has run out
You cannot drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught.
The only exceptions are to drive it:
to or from somewhere to be repaired or to a pre-arranged MOT test
You cannot drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught.
The only exceptions are to drive it:
to or from somewhere to be repaired or to a pre-arranged MOT test
NGee said:
Gov Website said:
If the MOT has run out
You cannot drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught.
The only exceptions are to drive it:
to or from somewhere to be repaired or to a pre-arranged MOT test
You cannot drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught.
The only exceptions are to drive it:
to or from somewhere to be repaired or to a pre-arranged MOT test
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
SS2. said:
The quote in bold in itself is incorrect, or at best it's very misleading.
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
and taking it home is a pre-booked appointment with yourself - i.e. no third party to verify you're not using the car for normal use - so definitely not one that will fly with the law. Should also note that I had 2 days to wait before my retest.
mrciarano said:
SS2. said:
The quote in bold in itself is incorrect, or at best it's very misleading.
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
and taking it home is a pre-booked appointment with yourself - i.e. no third party to verify you're not using the car for normal use - so definitely not one that will fly with the law. Should also note that I had 2 days to wait before my retest.
ks and give missleading infomation?It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
The law clearly states that you can drive the car home from a failed MOT. (The MOT station would be able to verify this)
I do agree with SS2 that the wording could be misleading, where an MOT is not involved, but that was just copied straight from the government website.
SS2. said:
The quote in bold in itself is incorrect, or at best it's very misleading.
The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
You sure? I can’t find that anywhere. The exemption from tax & MOT when taking a vehicle to / from a [pre-arranged] place for repair exists only if the vehicle has failed a test / retest.
I can find that you can drive untaxed to and from a pre-arranged MOT.
You can also drive untaxed to and from a pre-arranged appointment to get repairs done to correct an MOT failure.
I can’t see the two instances are necessarily linked. If they’re not, the second point implies that the first is likely to be true because it must have happened for the MOT failure to occur. Unless of course the tax ran out between the two events.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just can’t find what you say published anywhere. All I can find on the DVLA site is:
“You can only drive a vehicle with a SORN on a public road to go to or from a pre-booked MOT or other testing appointment”
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th June 08:33
Vehicle Excise & Registration Act 1994 - Schedule 2, Section 22.
The point being there is no exemption from using a vehicle on a road without tax or MOT when taking that vehicle for pre-arranged (and relevant) repairs if it has not failed a test / retest.
Example - vehicle sat up for two years; previous MOT expired 12 months ago; needs welding to pass new MOT - no exemption from tax or MOT when driving the vehicle to a workshop.
This is contrary to the earlier poster's quote from the Gov website.
The point being there is no exemption from using a vehicle on a road without tax or MOT when taking that vehicle for pre-arranged (and relevant) repairs if it has not failed a test / retest.
Example - vehicle sat up for two years; previous MOT expired 12 months ago; needs welding to pass new MOT - no exemption from tax or MOT when driving the vehicle to a workshop.
This is contrary to the earlier poster's quote from the Gov website.
SS2. said:
Vehicle Excise & Registration Act 1994 - Schedule 2, Section 22.
The point being there is no exemption from using a vehicle on a road without tax or MOT when taking that vehicle for pre-arranged (and relevant) repairs if it has not failed a test / retest.
Example - vehicle sat up for two years; previous MOT expired 12 months ago; needs welding to pass new MOT - no exemption from tax or MOT when driving the vehicle to a workshop.
This is contrary to the earlier poster's quote from the Gov website.
Ah yes, I misunderstood. The point being there is no exemption from using a vehicle on a road without tax or MOT when taking that vehicle for pre-arranged (and relevant) repairs if it has not failed a test / retest.
Example - vehicle sat up for two years; previous MOT expired 12 months ago; needs welding to pass new MOT - no exemption from tax or MOT when driving the vehicle to a workshop.
This is contrary to the earlier poster's quote from the Gov website.
To and from for an MOT; to and from for repairs connected with MOT fail. OK.
To and from other repairs, not OK.
SS2. said:
M666 EVO said:
I am collecting my car today from the garage/MOT station, but forgot my log book so can't tax the car.
Its only a 30 min drive so I can tax it when I get home - is driving without tax likely to be an issue?
Why was it at the garage / MOT station ?Its only a 30 min drive so I can tax it when I get home - is driving without tax likely to be an issue?
FYI I didn't take the risk and have taxed it this AM and will collect this PM.
NGee said:
Why do you continue to talk bks and give missleading infomation?
It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
The law clearly states that you can drive the car home from a failed MOT. (The MOT station would be able to verify this)
I do agree with SS2 that the wording could be misleading, where an MOT is not involved, but that was just copied straight from the government website.
You can take it home IF and ONLY IF there's still a valid MOT i.e. it has not expired, or has not just failed on dangerous items, as was explained to me by the DVSA on the phone. Otherwise it's a trailer.ks and give missleading infomation?It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
The law clearly states that you can drive the car home from a failed MOT. (The MOT station would be able to verify this)
I do agree with SS2 that the wording could be misleading, where an MOT is not involved, but that was just copied straight from the government website.
NGee said:
It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
Might want to calm down the anger issues and re-read my sentence - I did say that excuse doesn't fly with the law 
mrciarano said:
and taking it home is a pre-booked appointment with yourself - i.e. no third party to verify you're not using the car for normal use - so definitely not one that will fly with the law.
Edited by mrciarano on Tuesday 11th June 13:40
Edited by mrciarano on Tuesday 11th June 13:42
mrciarano said:
NGee said:
Why do you continue to talk bks and give missleading infomation?
It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
The law clearly states that you can drive the car home from a failed MOT. (The MOT station would be able to verify this)
I do agree with SS2 that the wording could be misleading, where an MOT is not involved, but that was just copied straight from the government website.
You can take it home IF and ONLY IF there's still a valid MOT i.e. it has not expired, or has not just failed on dangerous items, as was explained to me by the DVSA on the phone. Otherwise it's a trailer.ks and give missleading infomation?It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
The law clearly states that you can drive the car home from a failed MOT. (The MOT station would be able to verify this)
I do agree with SS2 that the wording could be misleading, where an MOT is not involved, but that was just copied straight from the government website.
NGee said:
It is not a pre-booked appointment with yourself!
Might want to calm down the anger issues and re-read my sentence - I did say that excuse doesn't fly with the law mrciarano said:
and taking it home is a pre-booked appointment with yourself - i.e. no third party to verify you're not using the car for normal use - so definitely not one that will fly with the law.
Edited by mrciarano on Tuesday 11th June 13:40
Edited by mrciarano on Tuesday 11th June 13:42
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