Buying a Diesel in 2019
Discussion
Hello all,
I'm looking at getting a Disco HSE Luxury 17 model.
Thay are kicking about at around 45k mark, i guess it was a 65k ish when new?
Some have said on previous threads that the second hand valve of diesels is not dropping off a cliff like one would expect with all the bad press circulating, they are seeing a strong second hand value. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, With diesel at about 1.40 per liter, will they just keep inflating the price of diesel to price us out of the market and get the cars off the road that way?
Kind regards,
I'm looking at getting a Disco HSE Luxury 17 model.
Thay are kicking about at around 45k mark, i guess it was a 65k ish when new?
Some have said on previous threads that the second hand valve of diesels is not dropping off a cliff like one would expect with all the bad press circulating, they are seeing a strong second hand value. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, With diesel at about 1.40 per liter, will they just keep inflating the price of diesel to price us out of the market and get the cars off the road that way?
Kind regards,
Edited by Fequalsmxa on Monday 24th June 05:29
As a dieselist myself, the old skule thing of buying diesels for fuel economy is being eroded by more fuel-efficient petrols, and the diesel price premium.
Add to that: the extra farting about with registrations for low emissions zones, people accosting you in Tesco car-parks complaining you're gassing their children, and the uncertainty over future tax increases, the case for buying a £45K diesel 'for economy' has to be a good one.
Diesels might give more torque for towing or more passengers, more tank range etc. Disco HSE's seem to run at 27-28 mpg.
Big SUV's sell into a different market to the small diesel hatchbacks, out here in the sticks the country lanes are full of diesel Discos, Range-Rovers, whereas the B&C class cars are mostly petrol eco-boxes.
If you're spending £45K on a used two-tonne car renowned for its ability to self-destruct, with around £280 VED per year and tyres at £200 a corner, why would 10p a litre on fuel worry you?
What irked me most about my last 4x4 was the VED, the 30 mpg, jacked up city parking fees (Westminster) and diesel at £1.40. Irrational, I know. :-)
Add to that: the extra farting about with registrations for low emissions zones, people accosting you in Tesco car-parks complaining you're gassing their children, and the uncertainty over future tax increases, the case for buying a £45K diesel 'for economy' has to be a good one.
Diesels might give more torque for towing or more passengers, more tank range etc. Disco HSE's seem to run at 27-28 mpg.
Big SUV's sell into a different market to the small diesel hatchbacks, out here in the sticks the country lanes are full of diesel Discos, Range-Rovers, whereas the B&C class cars are mostly petrol eco-boxes.
If you're spending £45K on a used two-tonne car renowned for its ability to self-destruct, with around £280 VED per year and tyres at £200 a corner, why would 10p a litre on fuel worry you?
What irked me most about my last 4x4 was the VED, the 30 mpg, jacked up city parking fees (Westminster) and diesel at £1.40. Irrational, I know. :-)
Edited by Slushbox on Monday 24th June 05:55
Fequalsmxa said:
Hello all,
I'm looking at getting a Disco HSE Luxury 17 model.
Thay are kicking about at around 45k mark, i guess it was a 65k ish when new?
Some have said on previous threads that the second hand valve of diesels is not dropping off a cliff like one would expect with all the bad press circulating, they are seeing a strong second hand value. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, With diesel at about 1.40 per liter, will they just keep inflating the price of diesel to price us out of the market and get the cars off the road that way?
Kind regards,
Its almost like the press were scaremongering and trying to whip up a scandal with clickbait headlines and stories.....I'm looking at getting a Disco HSE Luxury 17 model.
Thay are kicking about at around 45k mark, i guess it was a 65k ish when new?
Some have said on previous threads that the second hand valve of diesels is not dropping off a cliff like one would expect with all the bad press circulating, they are seeing a strong second hand value. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, With diesel at about 1.40 per liter, will they just keep inflating the price of diesel to price us out of the market and get the cars off the road that way?
Kind regards,
Edited by Fequalsmxa on Monday 24th June 05:29
When I replaced my (petrol) FFRR recently, the dealer I bought from was telling me quite openly that the upper end of the diesel market is causing him significant concern. He had a variety of £40-50k diesels, in different formats (4x4, large saloon, estate etc) on his forecourt and he said that he was getting very few phone calls about diesel vehicles at that price point, let alone sales.
In fact I had to put my car back to him to rectify a fault recently and whilst he was at pains to point out that it wasn't my issue, he was saying how much it was stinging him having to repair my car because he was already £20k down on income projections for that month. This is a long-established, fairly prestige, small independent dealer in a very affluent area btw.
Conversely, I got what I thought was a very good price selling my old petrol FFRR but had to pay quite a premium over the diesel equivalent to get into another petrol one.
In fact I had to put my car back to him to rectify a fault recently and whilst he was at pains to point out that it wasn't my issue, he was saying how much it was stinging him having to repair my car because he was already £20k down on income projections for that month. This is a long-established, fairly prestige, small independent dealer in a very affluent area btw.
Conversely, I got what I thought was a very good price selling my old petrol FFRR but had to pay quite a premium over the diesel equivalent to get into another petrol one.
Unless you live somewhere where you really need a newish Disco, it’s an utterly pointless vehicle. Can’t see residuals being favourable. Can’t you just buy a nice estate which gives you 50+ mpg and isn’t quite so offensive to most people these days? I know it’s a free world and all that but it’s about the last thing I’d buy if worried about residuals (or reliability and dealer back up).
troika said:
Unless you live somewhere where you really need a newish Disco, it’s an utterly pointless vehicle. Can’t see residuals being favourable. Can’t you just buy a nice estate which gives you 50+ mpg and isn’t quite so offensive to most people these days? I know it’s a free world and all that but it’s about the last thing I’d buy if worried about residuals (or reliability and dealer back up).
This is kind of what I did, got fed up with the negatives of SUVs plus I rarely needed awd so I went estate and will probably never look back. Besides it's easier for the dog to get in the boot. ninjag said:
This is kind of what I did, got fed up with the negatives of SUVs plus I rarely needed awd so I went estate and will probably never look back. Besides it's easier for the dog to get in the boot.
What did you go for, and how big is your dog? As per my post above, I replaced my FFRR with another but for some reason I'm not feeling the love. Plus I'm well aware of the height the dogs are having to jump up, even at access height. So I'm toying with changing again for a big estate but it needs to be petrol, it needs to accommodate 2 GSD-sized dogs, and it needs to have half a degree of interest about it.CAPP0 said:
What did you go for, and how big is your dog? As per my post above, I replaced my FFRR with another but for some reason I'm not feeling the love. Plus I'm well aware of the height the dogs are having to jump up, even at access height. So I'm toying with changing again for a big estate but it needs to be petrol, it needs to accommodate 2 GSD-sized dogs, and it needs to have half a degree of interest about it.
Jaguar XF Sportbrake, but the V6 diesel. Would have liked to get the V8 petrol but they are rare and a fair whack more money. 2nd gen do a 2L petrol and the higher powered one is pretty quick. Not sure if the boot would be big enough for two big dogs though, would be cosy! Seats down no problem, has quick release.I'm in a similar train of thought. I mainly use my 2005 X5 for towing 1600-2300kg but I want something newer and more economical (4.8 v8). An estate is out of the question as they are nowhere near the advisory towing weight being a maximum of 85% of the tow cars weight. I've been looking at RRS for a few months and nothing seems to be selling but prices are holding.
I wouldn't be putting my own money into a diesel Land Rover - it's been bad enough renting one.
As already said, there seems to be a premium to get into the petrol versions. Alas, though I would've gone petrol if I'd have stuck with VAG, because Mrs PB wanted the Disco Sport and the monthlies needed to stack up, we ended up in a diesel.
Two DPFs later - one under warranty, one under 'goodwill', plus confirmation there will be no more free ones - and I'm very much regretting that decision.
As already said, there seems to be a premium to get into the petrol versions. Alas, though I would've gone petrol if I'd have stuck with VAG, because Mrs PB wanted the Disco Sport and the monthlies needed to stack up, we ended up in a diesel.
Two DPFs later - one under warranty, one under 'goodwill', plus confirmation there will be no more free ones - and I'm very much regretting that decision.
PistonBroker said:
I wouldn't be putting my own money into a diesel Land Rover - it's been bad enough renting one.
As already said, there seems to be a premium to get into the petrol versions. Alas, though I would've gone petrol if I'd have stuck with VAG, because Mrs PB wanted the Disco Sport and the monthlies needed to stack up, we ended up in a diesel.
Two DPFs later - one under warranty, one under 'goodwill', plus confirmation there will be no more free ones - and I'm very much regretting that decision.
My brother got the Jag XE diesel despite me telling him about the potential failure of DPF etc coupled with his low mileage on a 36 month lease (25 months left)As already said, there seems to be a premium to get into the petrol versions. Alas, though I would've gone petrol if I'd have stuck with VAG, because Mrs PB wanted the Disco Sport and the monthlies needed to stack up, we ended up in a diesel.
Two DPFs later - one under warranty, one under 'goodwill', plus confirmation there will be no more free ones - and I'm very much regretting that decision.
I am awaiting him complaining about the cost of maintenance when it all goes wrong as i doubt JLR would be willing to do anything as goodwill given it will be over a year old and done commuter miles
mOrtt said:
I'm in a similar train of thought. I mainly use my 2005 X5 for towing 1600-2300kg but I want something newer and more economical (4.8 v8). An estate is out of the question as they are nowhere near the advisory towing weight being a maximum of 85% of the tow cars weight. I've been looking at RRS for a few months and nothing seems to be selling but prices are holding.
If nothing is selling, the price is too high. Audi A6 Allroad? I think the latest ones are 2500kg towing capacity.pavarotti1980 said:
My brother got the Jag XE diesel despite me telling him about the potential failure of DPF etc coupled with his low mileage on a 36 month lease (25 months left)
I am awaiting him complaining about the cost of maintenance when it all goes wrong as i doubt JLR would be willing to do anything as goodwill given it will be over a year old and done commuter miles
Yep. I'm in this until March '21. You'd think JLR would quite like a low-mile Disco Sport HSE on the forecourt - though perhaps not judging by some of the comments here! - and that Lex wouldn't mind tying me into higher monthlies on a petrol version of the same car. I'd do it if they were willing as it's better than risking the £1,600 worst case scenario of a DPF every 7k or 1.5k dependent on season. I am awaiting him complaining about the cost of maintenance when it all goes wrong as i doubt JLR would be willing to do anything as goodwill given it will be over a year old and done commuter miles
At least in his case I gather the DPFs are ok in that application. Something about the DPF ending up closer to the engine due to space constraints and therefore getting warmer quicker.
PistonBroker said:
Yep. I'm in this until March '21. You'd think JLR would quite like a low-mile Disco Sport HSE on the forecourt - though perhaps not judging by some of the comments here! - and that Lex wouldn't mind tying me into higher monthlies on a petrol version of the same car. I'd do it if they were willing as it's better than risking the £1,600 worst case scenario of a DPF every 7k or 1.5k dependent on season.
At least in his case I gather the DPFs are ok in that application. Something about the DPF ending up closer to the engine due to space constraints and therefore getting warmer quicker.
Hopeless aren’t they. My father bought a new DS in 2017 (against my advice). In January LR had the engine out to replace the balancer shafts. Well, they’ve just gone again. Apparently they now have a new supplier so have said the new ones to be fitted will be OK. I told him to insist on a new engine or reject the car but he’s too nice!At least in his case I gather the DPFs are ok in that application. Something about the DPF ending up closer to the engine due to space constraints and therefore getting warmer quicker.
troika said:
If nothing is selling, the price is too high. Audi A6 Allroad? I think the latest ones are 2500kg towing capacity.
The A6 can technically pull 2500kg but it only weighs ~1900kg so towing 2300kg is not going to be advisable as if the trailer gets a wiggle on it would throw the A6 around being over 20% heavier.Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff