Ethernet
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joshrefurbing

Original Poster:

16 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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Hi

If I want to run Ethernet cable through my house just for TVs and possibly a Hue hub if it uses Ethernet, can I just plug it directly into my broadband router or have I missed an essential step?

Thanks

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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Yes although rather than running a cable you should look into Powerline adaptors.

Mr Pointy

13,430 posts

190 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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joshrefurbing said:
If I want to run Ethernet cable through my house just for TVs and possibly a Hue hub if it uses Ethernet, can I just plug it directly into my broadband router or have I missed an essential step?
No, just plug it in to one of the LAN connectors on your router (there are often 4 of them).

Paul Drawmer

5,165 posts

298 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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wormus said:
Yes although rather than running a cable you should look into Powerline adaptors.
Although if you want the best and most reliable connection, you should run cable and avoid powerline adaptors.

boxst

3,806 posts

176 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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Paul Drawmer said:
wormus said:
Yes although rather than running a cable you should look into Powerline adaptors.
Although if you want the best and most reliable connection, you should run cable and avoid powerline adaptors.
Yes, but worth trying to power line adaptors first as running cables in walls / around is painful and time consuming for perhaps only a few not noticeable mb/s improvement,

joshrefurbing

Original Poster:

16 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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We’re doing a full rewire so should be ok to do the cables then?

So as long as four is enough I only need my current router but if I want more I can buy any router and my EE broadband will come through it?

If I want POE cameras do I need another box between them and the router?

Thanks a lot folks, any assistance really appreciated. I’ve done loads and loads of reading but a lot of it just goes over my head and assumes a level of knowledge I just don’t have.


markiii

4,339 posts

225 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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i put double cat5 socket next to every powerpoint when i rewired

Scobblelotcher

1,724 posts

143 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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joshrefurbing said:
We’re doing a full rewire so should be ok to do the cables then?

So as long as four is enough I only need my current router but if I want more I can buy any router and my EE broadband will come through it?

If I want POE cameras do I need another box between them and the router?

Thanks a lot folks, any assistance really appreciated. I’ve done loads and loads of reading but a lot of it just goes over my head and assumes a level of knowledge I just don’t have.
Sounds like you need a PoE switch that you could then plug into your existing router. Just be careful that you only plug in PoE devices!

Gary C

15,353 posts

210 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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wormus said:
Yes although rather than running a cable you should look into Powerline adaptors.
Could not disagree more. Powerline were in my experience poor.

Anyway if you want to run a device off your router, yes run a cable from the router port to the device. If you want more than one device in a similar area, you can run one cable from the router, to a switch, then plug in several devices into the switch.

On the other hand, you can use a mesh WiFi system if they are wifi connectable.

Cat6 cable is fairly cheap and if you can easily run it around the house, that would be my preference, isnt affected by anything and guaranteed 1G connection speed, more using Link aggregate and you may be able to even push 10G.

If you are rewiring, put cables everywhere, they are cheapish and its better to have a cable you dont use, than to have one you think, st wish I had put one in.

Power over ethernet, you can buy injectors to add it to any specific cable that needs it, so a POE supplying switch isnt necessary.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 3rd July 19:37

Mr E

23,096 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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Be aware of different PoE types (look at how much wattage you need) and maximum cable length.

joshrefurbing

Original Poster:

16 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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Fantastic folks, thanks!!


robbieduncan

1,993 posts

267 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Scobblelotcher said:
Sounds like you need a PoE switch that you could then plug into your existing router. Just be careful that you only plug in PoE devices!
Why? The PoE standard allows for non-PoE devices. Power is only sent when it is safe. Unless you mean off-standards passive PoE. Which should be avoided.

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Gary C said:
Could not disagree more. Powerline were in my experience poor.

Anyway if you want to run a device off your router, yes run a cable from the router port to the device. If you want more than one device in a similar area, you can run one cable from the router, to a switch, then plug in several devices into the switch.

On the other hand, you can use a mesh WiFi system if they are wifi connectable.

Cat6 cable is fairly cheap and if you can easily run it around the house, that would be my preference, isnt affected by anything and guaranteed 1G connection speed, more using Link aggregate and you may be able to even push 10G.

If you are rewiring, put cables everywhere, they are cheapish and its better to have a cable you dont use, than to have one you think, st wish I had put one in.

Power over ethernet, you can buy injectors to add it to any specific cable that needs it, so a POE supplying switch isnt necessary.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 3rd July 19:37
Well it depends which ones you use and the state of your wiring doesn’t it!

I’ve used Dlan WiFi 500 for about 5 years and they’ve been brilliant. One SSID for the whole house, no dead spots (I’ve got 4 WiFi plugs) and seamless handoff as you move about. Average is about 300 mbps and each plug has an RJ45 if you need it. Given my download speed from my ISP is only 80mbps, it works fine for all our devices. And with 2 teenage kids, we stream a lot of content.


If we were living in 1995 and such technology hadn’t been invented I’d agree with you smile

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th July 17:49

Gary C

15,353 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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wormus said:
Gary C said:
Could not disagree more. Powerline were in my experience poor.

Anyway if you want to run a device off your router, yes run a cable from the router port to the device. If you want more than one device in a similar area, you can run one cable from the router, to a switch, then plug in several devices into the switch.

On the other hand, you can use a mesh WiFi system if they are wifi connectable.

Cat6 cable is fairly cheap and if you can easily run it around the house, that would be my preference, isnt affected by anything and guaranteed 1G connection speed, more using Link aggregate and you may be able to even push 10G.

If you are rewiring, put cables everywhere, they are cheapish and its better to have a cable you dont use, than to have one you think, st wish I had put one in.

Power over ethernet, you can buy injectors to add it to any specific cable that needs it, so a POE supplying switch isnt necessary.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 3rd July 19:37
Well it depends which ones you use and the state of your wiring doesn’t it!

I’ve used Dlan WiFi 500 for about 5 years and they’ve been brilliant. One SSID for the whole house, no dead spots (I’ve got 4 WiFi plugs) and seamless handoff as you move about. Average is about 300 mbps and each plug has an RJ45 if you need it. Given my download speed from my ISP is only 80mbps, it works fine for all our devices. And with 2 teenage kids, we stream a lot of content.


If we were living in 1995 and such technology hadn’t been invented I’d agree with you smile

Edited by wormus on Thursday 4th July 17:49
Maybe my wiring, but I did manage to print out somthing on a neighbours printer three doors down by mistake smile

The BT plugs were crap, the Netgear ones were a lot faster but just slightly laggy compared to Ethernet. Download speeds were fine, just not instant response.

Though I would probably Orbi it (or equivalent) these days and save crawling in roof spaces.

BUT, if I was rewiring a house, I would floodwire with cat6e cable as, no matter what wall thickness or interference or number of users, its stable, reliable, simple, can power remote devices, can transmit HDMI point to point (if you need it) and above all as fast as anything else and doesnt half offload stuff from my WiFi. smile

And, you get lots of nice flashing lighs on the switch smile

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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^ I bet you have an AS400 under your stairs?

smile

Gary C

15,353 posts

210 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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wormus said:
^ I bet you have an AS400 under your stairs?

smile
Licence is too difficult to get smile

MicroVax's x3

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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wormus said:
Yes although rather than running a cable you should look into Powerline adaptors.
This in one line is why I don't bother much with this section.


anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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techiedave said:
This in one line is why I don't bother much with this section.


One simply must have Cat 6 floor ports in each and every room!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th July 20:15

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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To go back to the OP

Put as much wiring in as you can.
Helped a friend out at Easter doing pretty much same as you
As others have pointed out you can use a gigabit ethernet switch to increase connections. What happened at Easter was supplied ISP router in modem mode. Own router as router
Router had 4 LAN Sockets Each socket had a switch connected to it.
One switch used for the 4 network drives
One for the cabled TV's
One for other TV devices - Firestick etc
One for spare sockets

boxst

3,806 posts

176 months

Saturday 6th July 2019
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wormus said:
^ I bet you have an AS400 under your stairs?

smile
Synon, Obsydian and AS/400 I miss it