injector reconditioning
injector reconditioning
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spitfire4v8

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4,021 posts

204 months

Sunday 7th July 2019
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I seem to be having trouble getting replies from my two favourite injector reconditioning companies, so it got me thinking about maybe doing this myself.

The ASNU machine seems to be the industry favourite .. are there others on the market ?

Also is there an injectors-R-us type place where you can get the filters etc for the various injector makes all from one place or do you have to buy each make of filter from different places.

It's not an area I've ever investigated before because I've never had trouble getting hold of my favourite reconditioners before.

Any help / advice appreciated. cheers.

stevieturbo

17,968 posts

270 months

Sunday 7th July 2019
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Be cheaper just to send them to ASNU, unless you're testing and working with a stload of them.

Likewise in terms of parts and what you can actually do to fix ASNU will be one of the main go to places for parts etc anyway

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

307 months

Sunday 7th July 2019
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I have a simple test setup to check flow rate and spray patters. You can get rebuild kits if they need servicing. Mine didn't, so I don't know how easy it would be to DIY but I'm sure you'd have no problem doing it. I would have thought it was worth sending them away to be done professionally though if you're doing this commercially - the right equipment would make this job much quicker and easier.

spitfire4v8

Original Poster:

4,021 posts

204 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Thanks for replies.
I don't have sets to send away as such .. what I've done in the past is give my injector reconditioners the flow rates I need and they supply me a set of reconditioned injectors to suit. They must be very busy or both coincidently on holiday right now but will keep trying them.

I don't mind buying equipment to get the convenience .. time spent chasing suppliers could be time spent doing it myself IYSWIM.

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

307 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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If you want to DIY test system you'll want a variable duty cycle driver. I got mine from RM Cybernetics.

spitfire4v8

Original Poster:

4,021 posts

204 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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GreenV8S said:
If you want to DIY test system you'll want a variable duty cycle driver. I got mine from RM Cybernetics.
ooh , if you don't mind sharing your set-up I'd love to see what you made smile

DangerousDerek

8,675 posts

243 months

Wednesday 10th July 2019
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Dale Bladen at Bailey Performance now has the kit.
Also comes highly recommended.

Sardonicus

19,327 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th July 2019
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DangerousDerek said:
Dale Bladen at Bailey Performance now has the kit.
Also comes highly recommended.
This ^ biggrin

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

132 months

Wednesday 10th July 2019
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As above, it's dead money unless repairing plenty of them

spitfire4v8

Original Poster:

4,021 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th July 2019
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Thanks for all replies smile

i don't know if ears were burning or if it was just coincidence, but both my injector reconditioners replied within a couple of hours of each other .. maybe they read PH !

Thanks all

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

307 months

Thursday 11th July 2019
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I can't imagine that the DIY approach makes sense commercially, but my time was free and it was something I was interested in doing.

My setup is far more crude than you are probably imagining. I set up a pump/regulator/pressure gauge loop mounted on a board which cycles fuel out of a small container and returns the excess back to the the container. With the feed and return submerged there is minimal splashing. The container has a splash/dirt guard but is not sealed.

A tee from this circuit feeds a hose which is a tight push fit on the injector. The injector is positioned in a small glass container which has a volume scale marked on the side. That is also covered with an unsealed lid. There's quite a lot more spray here but still not a huge amount. The lid contains it pretty well.

It takes a couple of minutes to test an injector spray pattern across a range of frequencies and duty cycles and measure the full flow rate. That's really all I needed.

Electrics are all on the back of the board. Electronics are in hermetically sealed boxes. Switches are in IP66 rated enclosures. Nothing is ever switched on or off apart from via the sealed switches. I checked the tightness of the injector and pump connectors very carefully and secured all the wiring to minimise the risk of a connection being disturbed.

No liquid petrol escapes.There is a noticeable smell when using it, but no worse than any other time that a petrol container is unsealed. I make sure the workspace is well ventilated but it doesn't IMO need any other special precautions. I would not want to take responsibility for somebody else using it and it would never pass OSHA, but I'm comfortable using this at my own risk.

blitzracing

6,418 posts

243 months

Thursday 11th July 2019
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I simply put an old car battery charger transformer with half wave rectification onto the injectors so they opened and closed at 50 Hz. I used carb cleaner in an ultrasonic bath and submerged just the tips in the solution and ran the injectors for 10 mins like this. My thinking was to open and close the injector so the ultrasonics could do it's stuff when the injector was open. After all it's just the tips that foul up, so I did not see the need to pump the solution through. There was a marked difference to the plug insulator colouring after I did the work, it was far more even, so cleaning them seemed to have worked. I did not measure the output however.

stevieturbo

17,968 posts

270 months

Thursday 11th July 2019
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attempts at cleaning without either knowing flow/spray before and after...almost seems futile.

You'd never know if the injector was actually properly functional again. Maybe not a big deal for a standard engine, or a n/a etc.

But could be catastrophic for something making power.

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

307 months

Thursday 11th July 2019
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I wonder whether it was the ultrasonics or the carb cleaner that made the difference.

spitfire4v8

Original Poster:

4,021 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th July 2019
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Thanks everyone fr the replies. I like the simplicity of the old battery charger and carb cleaner/bath approach for cleaning, and then mount them in an old fuel rail and firing into same sized containers for flow testing.
After having seen the ASNU machine videos there seems to be a heck of a lot of spray/mist lost to atmosphere so that aspect doesn't seem critical, or balances out over the test sample number on a long enough test period.

I've just bought some really nasty old dirty injectors off ebay and I'm going to give it a whirl. If nothing else it will pass a quiet sunday afternoon smile

cheers all

stevieturbo

17,968 posts

270 months

Wednesday 17th July 2019
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ASNU machine has injectors into the measuring cylinders that are sealed ? No test fluid should be lost anywhere.

it's a closed system