570s / 570 GT/ 570 Spider
Discussion
So after serial Porsche buying for many years, and being unable to guarantee a GT4 slot, even after being loyal to a dealer etc etc, I decided to see what was around.
I have a manual 911T and I like it, but was thinking of something more Supercar/ Exotic.
The residuals of McLaren worried me and then I saw a 570 GT 2018 @ £114.950. I went for a look and loved it. Went to McLaren Leeds but the experience was underwhelming.
So a year old car seems to have already lost most of its serious depreciation, and 115k looks value next to a used 991 Turbo for example.
I like the GT but the spider as well.
I guess they are now reliable enough, what questions/ problems/ must haves should I look at? Also which model!
Many thanks in advance,
David
I have a manual 911T and I like it, but was thinking of something more Supercar/ Exotic.
The residuals of McLaren worried me and then I saw a 570 GT 2018 @ £114.950. I went for a look and loved it. Went to McLaren Leeds but the experience was underwhelming.
So a year old car seems to have already lost most of its serious depreciation, and 115k looks value next to a used 991 Turbo for example.
I like the GT but the spider as well.
I guess they are now reliable enough, what questions/ problems/ must haves should I look at? Also which model!
Many thanks in advance,
David
Common issues seem to be around the paintwork corroding (covered under warranty but a pain to have to get done) and electrical niggles. Some are minor and a few have had some more serious issues like cars not starting, windows not opening or closing, and alarm issues.
However I think the general perception of McLaren reliability (or lack of) is massively overplayed. On the owners groups there are loads of happy owners who've had next to no issues.
I've got a 540C, and have the paint work to be sorted next week. No electrical faults yet after almost 18 months.
Car wise I guess you'll be able to choose for yourself. I think the GT looks superb, but if budget allowed I'd go for a spider. I'd be more focused on colour and spec. Again all personal preference. I'm not sure I'd run one without a warranty but that's just me
However I think the general perception of McLaren reliability (or lack of) is massively overplayed. On the owners groups there are loads of happy owners who've had next to no issues.
I've got a 540C, and have the paint work to be sorted next week. No electrical faults yet after almost 18 months.
Car wise I guess you'll be able to choose for yourself. I think the GT looks superb, but if budget allowed I'd go for a spider. I'd be more focused on colour and spec. Again all personal preference. I'm not sure I'd run one without a warranty but that's just me
I've found myself in exactly the same situation...wanted a change from the 991.1 GTS but didnt like the 992 enough in S guise to commit, so looked at McLaren (in all honesty I was drawn in by Justin's fab pictures of his 540c in and around Scotland).
It does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted
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It does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted
)detee said:
So a year old car seems to have already lost most of its serious depreciation, and 115k looks value next to a used 991 Turbo for example.
Just because the Mclaren has lost a big percentage of its initial value due to overpricing new doesn't mean it will stop now. It will continue to show serious depreciation in the future.
[quote=39sl]I've found myself in exactly the same situation...wanted a change from the 991.1 GTS but didnt like the 992 enough in S guise to commit, so looked at McLaren (in all honesty I was drawn in by Justin's fab pictures of his 540c in and around Scotland).
It does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted )
Were you offered a great deal on the new stock car, as below depreciation is a concern, but you are right I need to drive one.
It does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted
)Were you offered a great deal on the new stock car, as below depreciation is a concern, but you are right I need to drive one.
detee said:
39sl said:
I've found myself in exactly the same situation...wanted a change from the 991.1 GTS but didnt like the 992 enough in S guise to commit, so looked at McLaren (in all honesty I was drawn in by Justin's fab pictures of his 540c in and around Scotland).
It does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted )
Were you offered a great deal on the new stock car, as below depreciation is a concern, but you are right I need to drive one.
Yes, it was a new stock car. There seem to be plenty of stock cars but it needs a call to the dealer...they don't seem to advertise new stock carsIt does seem to be a buyers market at the moment. From the information I have gathered and quotes on PCP finance, the underwriter numbers for 12 to 18 month old cars cars seems to suggest they will be about 65% of their current value in 2 years. Remember this is a PCP so the underwriter is being sufficiently cautious to protect their position in 2 years. In reality, they won't hold up as well as a similar priced 911 but you won't lose your shirt either.
These details and their relevance clearly depend on how you buy, how long you hold onto it for etc. but hope these details help.
From all I have read, the Spider does not suffer any loss of chassis rigidity or strength due to the open top and if you like open top driving, that would be the one to choose...all the benefits and only some extra weight but you'd have to be a racing driver to tell the difference
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy. I've spoken to four dealers over the last few weeks (not Leeds) and all were really positive experiences.
I'd suggest you organise a visit and drive the cars...I thought my GTS was compliant and fast on the UK roads but these are another league in every way (rear seats accepted
)Were you offered a great deal on the new stock car, as below depreciation is a concern, but you are right I need to drive one.
mickpsu said:
av185 said:
Just because the Mclaren has lost a big percentage of its initial value due to overpricing new doesn't mean it will stop now.
It will continue to show serious depreciation in the future.
What do you base that prediction on?It will continue to show serious depreciation in the future.
Great cars but until McLaren address these substantial issues residuals will continue to be in freefall.
av185 said:
History, overproduction, new model pipeline, overpricing, poor dealer back up, refusal to even bid on nearly new high spec cars, unresolved warranty issues, continually receiving e mails from Mac dealers with huge discounts on minimal mileage effectively new cars etc etc
Great cars but until McLaren address these substantial issues residuals will continue to be in freefall.
Would you have one if they addressed those issues?Great cars but until McLaren address these substantial issues residuals will continue to be in freefall.
mickpsu said:
av185 said:
History, overproduction, new model pipeline, overpricing, poor dealer back up, refusal to even bid on nearly new high spec cars, unresolved warranty issues, continually receiving e mails from Mac dealers with huge discounts on minimal mileage effectively new cars etc etc
Great cars but until McLaren address these substantial issues residuals will continue to be in freefall.
Would you have one if they addressed those issues?Great cars but until McLaren address these substantial issues residuals will continue to be in freefall.
av185 said:
Yes but it won't happen in the short or even medium term unfortunately.
How do you know this have you got inside information ??Besides these issues are not just effecting McLaren, Ferrari and more importantly Porsche particularly on the Turbo models are certainly struggling with residuals.
It is a car problem not just a McLaren one although I do think McLaren and Lotus for that matter are being worse effected
In response to some of the points raised earlier ...
Overproduction - the entire auto industry is in a slow down, especially the supercar sector, other brands have cars stockpiled not just McLaren. The factory has to produce a certain amount of cars to make it viable and they probably have made too many for the UK market but that is changing.
New models - they are actually not producing any more models per year than Fez/Lam/Por although the others have been operating for 70+ years and McLaren 8/9.
Overpricing - I'm the first to criticise some of their pricing, but its no different to other top marques, I can't see what makes them unique in overpricing, they all ultimately sell at a price the market feels is right. There are big deals to be had on Perfs and other competitive brands too.
Poor dealer back up - they've opened three new dealerships (2 in the busy south) and have other plans in the pipeline to provide more service choices. They are working hard at this to expand the capacity, no one waits as long as they may have done previously.
Refusal to bid on nearly new cars, its disappointing but not unique, I know Ferrari dealers aren't interested in bidding on 488's, is anyone shouting about that?
Unresolved warranty issues - most owners I know get their issues resolved without drama, a small number may not, is that worthy of a generalism? A few cars can be problematic and it takes a few visits to completely iron out the bugs, not acceptable, but my daily driver had been back and forth to get the same issue sorted and that's not all over the internet. Dealers can be inconsistent with their service, but that's not unique to this brand, most operate at a desk alongside a Bentley or other premium marque.
Production will be focussed on new emerging markets, more initiatives are in the pipeline to improve QC, aftersales support and standards, plus efforts are being made to make cost of ownership for older models a more viable proposition.
For anyone thinking about the move across, don't be put off by all what you read on the internet, I've had three of them and had little problem with them other than a turbo hose and screen wash pipe that split. They're not all perfect and there's loads of help and support from the Owners Club who regularly meet with senior Mc management and execs to feedback real life issues.
There's some pretty committed folk at Woking who are working hard to make things happen, it won't be overnight but it will at some point.
Overproduction - the entire auto industry is in a slow down, especially the supercar sector, other brands have cars stockpiled not just McLaren. The factory has to produce a certain amount of cars to make it viable and they probably have made too many for the UK market but that is changing.
New models - they are actually not producing any more models per year than Fez/Lam/Por although the others have been operating for 70+ years and McLaren 8/9.
Overpricing - I'm the first to criticise some of their pricing, but its no different to other top marques, I can't see what makes them unique in overpricing, they all ultimately sell at a price the market feels is right. There are big deals to be had on Perfs and other competitive brands too.
Poor dealer back up - they've opened three new dealerships (2 in the busy south) and have other plans in the pipeline to provide more service choices. They are working hard at this to expand the capacity, no one waits as long as they may have done previously.
Refusal to bid on nearly new cars, its disappointing but not unique, I know Ferrari dealers aren't interested in bidding on 488's, is anyone shouting about that?
Unresolved warranty issues - most owners I know get their issues resolved without drama, a small number may not, is that worthy of a generalism? A few cars can be problematic and it takes a few visits to completely iron out the bugs, not acceptable, but my daily driver had been back and forth to get the same issue sorted and that's not all over the internet. Dealers can be inconsistent with their service, but that's not unique to this brand, most operate at a desk alongside a Bentley or other premium marque.
Production will be focussed on new emerging markets, more initiatives are in the pipeline to improve QC, aftersales support and standards, plus efforts are being made to make cost of ownership for older models a more viable proposition.
For anyone thinking about the move across, don't be put off by all what you read on the internet, I've had three of them and had little problem with them other than a turbo hose and screen wash pipe that split. They're not all perfect and there's loads of help and support from the Owners Club who regularly meet with senior Mc management and execs to feedback real life issues.
There's some pretty committed folk at Woking who are working hard to make things happen, it won't be overnight but it will at some point.
39sl said:
I'm not a roof down sort of guy and felt the backend of the GT appealed ever so slightly more than the S so I've bitten the bullet yesterday and bought a new stock 570GT from Mclaren Birmingham...really knowledgeable team and willing to do a deal so I'm very happy.
Great, I love the GT too, great styling and such a usable car. Drive safe and enjoy the experience! After having had 4 iterations of Porsche TT from 996 to 991.1 decided to try a Ferrari and bought a F430. I never really gelled with the F430, (didn't like the F1 transmission)
I then bought my McLaren - a 570GT. Ammmmaaaazing car. As fast as you like, totally planted, and can also drive on the M25 in heavy traffic without worrying if its going to melt, or eat its own clutch.
Thoroughly recommend it
I then bought my McLaren - a 570GT. Ammmmaaaazing car. As fast as you like, totally planted, and can also drive on the M25 in heavy traffic without worrying if its going to melt, or eat its own clutch.
Thoroughly recommend it
Hopefully, this will not be seen as highjacking this thread, but as the title is "570S/570GT/570 Spider" I figured that what I have to ask is relevant.
I am hoping to purchase a 570GT later this year, but my enthusiasm was dampened slightly by a comment in a YouTube video posted by Mr Daniel Knight. For whatever reason, his friend Mark was selling his 570S, and made a comment about the ride height being the only thing that he had an issue with. Apparently, he couldn't use the car to go to his mum's house due to a certain bridge that was very hard to negotiate! I live in a rural area of the Cotswolds where some of the roads are not billiard table smooth. It would be useful to hear from other owners to get some "real world" experiences. Obviously, it would seem that the lift option will be an absolute must.
I am hoping to purchase a 570GT later this year, but my enthusiasm was dampened slightly by a comment in a YouTube video posted by Mr Daniel Knight. For whatever reason, his friend Mark was selling his 570S, and made a comment about the ride height being the only thing that he had an issue with. Apparently, he couldn't use the car to go to his mum's house due to a certain bridge that was very hard to negotiate! I live in a rural area of the Cotswolds where some of the roads are not billiard table smooth. It would be useful to hear from other owners to get some "real world" experiences. Obviously, it would seem that the lift option will be an absolute must.
Flashardos said:
Hopefully, this will not be seen as highjacking this thread, but as the title is "570S/570GT/570 Spider" I figured that what I have to ask is relevant.
I am hoping to purchase a 570GT later this year, but my enthusiasm was dampened slightly by a comment in a YouTube video posted by Mr Daniel Knight. For whatever reason, his friend Mark was selling his 570S, and made a comment about the ride height being the only thing that he had an issue with. Apparently, he couldn't use the car to go to his mum's house due to a certain bridge that was very hard to negotiate! I live in a rural area of the Cotswolds where some of the roads are not billiard table smooth. It would be useful to hear from other owners to get some "real world" experiences. Obviously, it would seem that the lift option will be an absolute must.
I can answer that. 720S owner with 570 Spyder as a loan vehicle. Live in Gloucestershire and go for regular hoons are the Cotswolds - went for a 2 hour drive in the 570 last week. No issues whatsoever.I am hoping to purchase a 570GT later this year, but my enthusiasm was dampened slightly by a comment in a YouTube video posted by Mr Daniel Knight. For whatever reason, his friend Mark was selling his 570S, and made a comment about the ride height being the only thing that he had an issue with. Apparently, he couldn't use the car to go to his mum's house due to a certain bridge that was very hard to negotiate! I live in a rural area of the Cotswolds where some of the roads are not billiard table smooth. It would be useful to hear from other owners to get some "real world" experiences. Obviously, it would seem that the lift option will be an absolute must.
I have only caused damage to the 720S on the one occassion to the front, and that was driving through Stonehouse where they have the most vicious of speed bumps - I forgot to raise the front.
A front lift is a must
You won't have any issues.
MAC 720S said:
I can answer that. 720S owner with 570 Spyder as a loan vehicle. Live in Gloucestershire and go for regular hoons are the Cotswolds - went for a 2 hour drive in the 570 last week. No issues whatsoever.
I have only caused damage to the 720S on the one occassion to the front, and that was driving through Stonehouse where they have the most vicious of speed bumps - I forgot to raise the front.
A front lift is a must
You won't have any issues.
That's good to hear. I live in a village between Burford and Stow-on-the-Wold. Probably the main thing to look out for will be pot holes!I have only caused damage to the 720S on the one occassion to the front, and that was driving through Stonehouse where they have the most vicious of speed bumps - I forgot to raise the front.
A front lift is a must
You won't have any issues.
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