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Like some of the other MOC UK members, I feel this forum is mainly about McBashing, so I will follow their example and restrict further involvement. It’s a real shame, because the MOC UK has a membership of over 350, and rising every month - A concentrated pool of real-world ownership experience, found nowhere else in the UK, if not world-wide. I understand it is the only McLaren Owners Club formally recognised by McLaren Automotive.
The Senna Fire topic was a demonstration of how certain people will hijack a topic, throwing unnecessary abuse at McOwners and/or the McLaren brand. Referring to the very first page of the Senna Fire topic, one of Juno's posts sets the hare racing > “Seems typical Mclaren owner lives in denial”, followed by further comments such as > “You obviously feel you fit better in the closed group of BIG cocks on FB”. BlackR6 quite rightly points out > “serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????”. This is not only restricted to the Senna Fire topic; it is prevalent across the whole of the McLaren Forum.
My posts in the Senna Fire topic were intended as a wind up to bring out the worst in the Trolls, just so the Moderators can have an insight into the way they behave, and to demonstrate why the McLaren section has little in the way of constructive contribution from McOwners when compared with the overhwelming unhelpful content by non-owners. It is very dull to read through a lot of the topics. Yes, there are some McOwners who admirably persevere through it all, but I’m confident they are a minority when compared with what could be achieved overall.
I’ve had a few emails from the Moderators giving me a slap, which is to be expected, as I did go overboard, but there was an agenda behind it. If you review my posts in other topics, they are reflective of my normal behaviour, rather than what was posted in the Senna Fire topic.
If the Moderators purged some of the prolific Trolls, I’m confident there would be a lot more constructive discussion, and other McOwners who no longer post here, may just return and make this an enjoyable and informative section of PH.
I don’t believe I am being a snowflake - I can take some flak - but it just gets so boring and tedious, with little incentive to participate.
The Senna Fire topic was a demonstration of how certain people will hijack a topic, throwing unnecessary abuse at McOwners and/or the McLaren brand. Referring to the very first page of the Senna Fire topic, one of Juno's posts sets the hare racing > “Seems typical Mclaren owner lives in denial”, followed by further comments such as > “You obviously feel you fit better in the closed group of BIG cocks on FB”. BlackR6 quite rightly points out > “serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????”. This is not only restricted to the Senna Fire topic; it is prevalent across the whole of the McLaren Forum.
My posts in the Senna Fire topic were intended as a wind up to bring out the worst in the Trolls, just so the Moderators can have an insight into the way they behave, and to demonstrate why the McLaren section has little in the way of constructive contribution from McOwners when compared with the overhwelming unhelpful content by non-owners. It is very dull to read through a lot of the topics. Yes, there are some McOwners who admirably persevere through it all, but I’m confident they are a minority when compared with what could be achieved overall.
I’ve had a few emails from the Moderators giving me a slap, which is to be expected, as I did go overboard, but there was an agenda behind it. If you review my posts in other topics, they are reflective of my normal behaviour, rather than what was posted in the Senna Fire topic.
If the Moderators purged some of the prolific Trolls, I’m confident there would be a lot more constructive discussion, and other McOwners who no longer post here, may just return and make this an enjoyable and informative section of PH.
I don’t believe I am being a snowflake - I can take some flak - but it just gets so boring and tedious, with little incentive to participate.
Edited by mickpsu on Wednesday 24th July 15:24
All I can suggest is that you report offending/trolling posts and we'll investigate and take any necessary action, rather than trying to out the trolls of your own accord. You are not the only member that has received warnings/bans from that thread.
BTW your ban has been rescinded, in light of your openness on this thread, just report the trolls and we'll endeavour to sort.
HTH explain.
BTW your ban has been rescinded, in light of your openness on this thread, just report the trolls and we'll endeavour to sort.
HTH explain.
mickpsu said:
If the Moderators purged some of the prolific Trolls, I’m confident there would be a lot more constructive discussion, and other McOwners who no longer post here, may just return and make this an enjoyable and informative section of PH.
That's odd, in light of you saying the forum should be abandoned and everybody just go on the secret FB group.Edited by mickpsu on Wednesday 24th July 15:24
Frankly that thread is an embarrassment, grown men, who have evidently been successful enough to own high end stuff, acting like children. I've owned multiple McLarens, had huge fun and plenty of problems, I talk about both on here and just enjoy the position I'm in. It's an open forum, if somebody disagreeing with you or having a dig makes you rage then you're in the wrong place, whatever "side" you're on.
Well said mickpsu 
It seems rather odd and very sad that a determined few PistonHeads members have rounded on a British manufacturer and are determined to destroy it's reputation, at least on PistonHeads by spreading rumour and mis-information at any any and every opportunity
The McLaren forum has been virtually ruined as useful source of real information and actual user experience which is a great shame.
I completely understand that forums are for free speech but IMHO the mods have done a very poor job of keeping discussions on topic and shutting down very obvious provocation, effectively contributing to the demise of the McLaren forum as a useful and helpful resource. I will try to report some of the nonsense that goes on but mods need to recognize there is a problem and actively work to recover the situation.
It seems rather odd and very sad that a determined few PistonHeads members have rounded on a British manufacturer and are determined to destroy it's reputation, at least on PistonHeads by spreading rumour and mis-information at any any and every opportunity
The McLaren forum has been virtually ruined as useful source of real information and actual user experience which is a great shame.
I completely understand that forums are for free speech but IMHO the mods have done a very poor job of keeping discussions on topic and shutting down very obvious provocation, effectively contributing to the demise of the McLaren forum as a useful and helpful resource. I will try to report some of the nonsense that goes on but mods need to recognize there is a problem and actively work to recover the situation.
mickpsu said:
Like some of the other MOC UK members, I feel this forum is mainly about McBashing, so I will follow their example and restrict further involvement. It’s a real shame, because the MOC UK has a membership of over 350, and rising every month - A concentrated pool of real-world ownership experience, found nowhere else in the UK, if not world-wide. I understand it is the only McLaren Owners Club formally recognised by McLaren Automotive.
The Senna Fire topic was a demonstration of how certain people will hijack a topic, throwing unnecessary abuse at McOwners and/or the McLaren brand. Referring to the very first page of the Senna Fire topic, one of Juno's posts sets the hare racing > “Seems typical Mclaren owner lives in denial”, followed by further comments such as > “You obviously feel you fit better in the closed group of BIG cocks on FB”. BlackR6 quite rightly points out > “serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????”. This is not only restricted to the Senna Fire topic; it is prevalent across the whole of the McLaren Forum.
My posts in the Senna Fire topic were intended as a wind up to bring out the worst in the Trolls, just so the Moderators can have an insight into the way they behave, and to demonstrate why the McLaren section has little in the way of constructive contribution from McOwners when compared with the overhwelming unhelpful content by non-owners. It is very dull to read through a lot of the topics. Yes, there are some McOwners who admirably persevere through it all, but I’m confident they are a minority when compared with what could be achieved overall.
I’ve had a few emails from the Moderators giving me a slap, which is to be expected, as I did go overboard, but there was an agenda behind it. If you review my posts in other topics, they are reflective of my normal behaviour, rather than what was posted in the Senna Fire topic.
If the Moderators purged some of the prolific Trolls, I’m confident there would be a lot more constructive discussion, and other McOwners who no longer post here, may just return and make this an enjoyable and informative section of PH.
I don’t believe I am being a snowflake - I can take some flak - but it just gets so boring and tedious, with little incentive to participate.
As you call me out above as the hare that hijacked the thread I’d like to ad the followingThe Senna Fire topic was a demonstration of how certain people will hijack a topic, throwing unnecessary abuse at McOwners and/or the McLaren brand. Referring to the very first page of the Senna Fire topic, one of Juno's posts sets the hare racing > “Seems typical Mclaren owner lives in denial”, followed by further comments such as > “You obviously feel you fit better in the closed group of BIG cocks on FB”. BlackR6 quite rightly points out > “serious question, why so much hate for McLaren on this forum????”. This is not only restricted to the Senna Fire topic; it is prevalent across the whole of the McLaren Forum.
My posts in the Senna Fire topic were intended as a wind up to bring out the worst in the Trolls, just so the Moderators can have an insight into the way they behave, and to demonstrate why the McLaren section has little in the way of constructive contribution from McOwners when compared with the overhwelming unhelpful content by non-owners. It is very dull to read through a lot of the topics. Yes, there are some McOwners who admirably persevere through it all, but I’m confident they are a minority when compared with what could be achieved overall.
I’ve had a few emails from the Moderators giving me a slap, which is to be expected, as I did go overboard, but there was an agenda behind it. If you review my posts in other topics, they are reflective of my normal behaviour, rather than what was posted in the Senna Fire topic.
If the Moderators purged some of the prolific Trolls, I’m confident there would be a lot more constructive discussion, and other McOwners who no longer post here, may just return and make this an enjoyable and informative section of PH.
I don’t believe I am being a snowflake - I can take some flak - but it just gets so boring and tedious, with little incentive to participate.
Edited by mickpsu on Wednesday 24th July 15:24
Firstly I didn’t start it (the thread)
Secondly after 24 hours there was not one reply to the (OP’s) post
Thirdly I had followed all the reports from the owner of the burnt out Senna in the US. That guy was a prolific Mclaren purchaser and says Mclaren totally blanked him
My quote responds to the OP and says just as Mac are ignoring it so are the Mac owners on here. It’s a comment that says burying your head in the sand does nothing to solve the problem
As I have quoted if I were the CEO of Mac that car would have been brought back immediately to HQ and had a full forensic
That action alone would have saved about 5 million viewings on YouTube of the negative experience of that Mac owner
If businesses and owners can’t see that,act upon it and discuss it without retorting to name calling and referring to it as Macbashing then I’m afraid it would appear that you wish to live in a World of utopia and fantasy
It happened it’s real, comment about it tell Mac what you’d like to see done, that would be more proactive
Yes I’ve been banned from that thread, it appears the mods are happy for someone to call me a Pratt, (we know what he meant C**T ) on their first post on the topic in response to a well written reply I posted
If the mods are saying that’s OK then I think they need to take a good look in the mirror
Obviously I can’t reply to that abuser
In the meantime I’ll decide in my own time if and when I’m ready to buy a Mac
Starting this thread to further your agenda is cringeworthy. I knew you'd be the OP before I even opened the thread.
Urging the mods to ban posters who don't agree with you is extremely poor form IMO.
Very publicly flouncing then coming back and (as you've freely admitted) deliberately winding people up is also extremely poor form.
Additionally, I'm surprised PH have tolerated you repeatedly and deliberately trying to drive traffic/members away from the site and onto your secret FB group etc.
You are utterly complicit in the way the Senna fire thread went, hence you receiving the ban and warnings.
But let's ignore all that and blame other people (non McLaren owners).
I've no wish to rile people with this post (and I shall now leave the thread for good) but some balance was needed if you're discussing how people have behaved recently.
Urging the mods to ban posters who don't agree with you is extremely poor form IMO.
Very publicly flouncing then coming back and (as you've freely admitted) deliberately winding people up is also extremely poor form.
Additionally, I'm surprised PH have tolerated you repeatedly and deliberately trying to drive traffic/members away from the site and onto your secret FB group etc.
You are utterly complicit in the way the Senna fire thread went, hence you receiving the ban and warnings.
But let's ignore all that and blame other people (non McLaren owners).
I've no wish to rile people with this post (and I shall now leave the thread for good) but some balance was needed if you're discussing how people have behaved recently.
Don't think there is, ROP No.22 states:-
Do not name and shame any company or individual, or post content which could cause reputational damage or which could be deemed as libellous or defamatory. To do so puts you at risk of legal action and we may be obliged by law to disclose your personal data.
The brand/marque is treated as a critique. You may like it you may not. The big boys should be OK as they treat comments of that nature as potential/customer feedback.
Do not name and shame any company or individual, or post content which could cause reputational damage or which could be deemed as libellous or defamatory. To do so puts you at risk of legal action and we may be obliged by law to disclose your personal data.
The brand/marque is treated as a critique. You may like it you may not. The big boys should be OK as they treat comments of that nature as potential/customer feedback.
p-car said:
Well said mickpsu
It seems rather odd and very sad that a determined few PistonHeads members have rounded on a British manufacturer and are determined to destroy it's reputation, at least on PistonHeads by spreading rumour and mis-information at any any and every opportunity
The McLaren forum has been virtually ruined as useful source of real information and actual user experience which is a great shame.
I completely understand that forums are for free speech but IMHO the mods have done a very poor job of keeping discussions on topic and shutting down very obvious provocation, effectively contributing to the demise of the McLaren forum as a useful and helpful resource. I will try to report some of the nonsense that goes on but mods need to recognize there is a problem and actively work to recover the situation.
+1 It seems rather odd and very sad that a determined few PistonHeads members have rounded on a British manufacturer and are determined to destroy it's reputation, at least on PistonHeads by spreading rumour and mis-information at any any and every opportunity
The McLaren forum has been virtually ruined as useful source of real information and actual user experience which is a great shame.
I completely understand that forums are for free speech but IMHO the mods have done a very poor job of keeping discussions on topic and shutting down very obvious provocation, effectively contributing to the demise of the McLaren forum as a useful and helpful resource. I will try to report some of the nonsense that goes on but mods need to recognize there is a problem and actively work to recover the situation.
To the best of my limited knowledge, there is no other forum on here like it.
Generally all positive helpful chat throughout the other forums i browse such as Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo and Mercedes.
I could not find a single thread being hijacked in there by non owners giving the brands an absolute kicking regardless of the topic.
With respect br d, if any of your trip threads were turned into a depreciation, corrosion, braking down, blah blah blah thread i doubt you would turn the other cheek...you would stop posting. Your threads may just escape as they are in the General Gassing thread and not in the McLaren thread. It may well be the only McLaren heavy thread that hasn't been ruined.
I'm interested in the problem areas of McLaren ownership as much as the fantastic ownership that comes with a McLaren.
I like to read and see pics of roadtrips, but i also like to see stuff like the paint issues on Justins car and how Mclaren deal with it...from the firsthand person, not from someone who read about somebodys friends next door neighbour whose McLaren broke down all the time and then sold for half the market value.
I like reading previous / current owners that have had a bad experience to get a balanced view compared to my own experiences so far which have been 1st class and already made me a McLaren convert....i may well have issues in the future but i won't hide them; i shall document them like i have so far just recently with my airbrake.
I just don't like how almost every thread turns into the same thing, albeit the Senna thread took a slight detour after the usual hijack and went a bit nuclear.
I'm not really interested in production numbers or depreciation....that will be relevant when the time comes to sell and i shall deal with that then...just like for every other car i have had.
I reckon all of the above might just be what other McLaren owners would look for in the McLaren forum.
Crazy...huh?
These should not be even close to sub 100k for any mclaren but even at that when you add it up its still not value after insane running costs and the fact there is a handful of people having there gone for months at a time with no substitute car etc
Not because of Internet warrior's but because of constant niggles, problems from people that have them. The build quality is not comparable, they are not supporting them in terms of allowing independents to take up the slack. They are to complex and you can't even get a front end respray because it's a secret code bla bla bla.
And what's the reason for it? They are damaging there own brand but can't give a stuff because all they are arsed about is getting the next pcp out the door
Maybe people bashing are just absolutely cheesed off that a car they have worked hard to afford is still not attainable because of the risks involved
Not because of Internet warrior's but because of constant niggles, problems from people that have them. The build quality is not comparable, they are not supporting them in terms of allowing independents to take up the slack. They are to complex and you can't even get a front end respray because it's a secret code bla bla bla.
And what's the reason for it? They are damaging there own brand but can't give a stuff because all they are arsed about is getting the next pcp out the door
Maybe people bashing are just absolutely cheesed off that a car they have worked hard to afford is still not attainable because of the risks involved
br d said:
That's odd, in light of you saying the forum should be abandoned and everybody just go on the secret FB group.
Frankly that thread is an embarrassment, grown men, who have evidently been successful enough to own high end stuff, acting like children. I've owned multiple McLarens, had huge fun and plenty of problems, I talk about both on here and just enjoy the position I'm in. It's an open forum, if somebody disagreeing with you or having a dig makes you rage then you're in the wrong place, whatever "side" you're on.
I agree 100%. All this talk of people having a dig at mclarens for the sake of it is rubbish in my view. If something is reported in the media somewhere people will raise it and ask questions. Be it a burning Mclaren or a burning bmw (yep, I got the recall for mine), or Zafira or Lambo or whatever. This forum is public so you should expect both sides of any debate. If you can't cope with that without getting abusive (or trolling) then yes, you should try elsewhere.Frankly that thread is an embarrassment, grown men, who have evidently been successful enough to own high end stuff, acting like children. I've owned multiple McLarens, had huge fun and plenty of problems, I talk about both on here and just enjoy the position I'm in. It's an open forum, if somebody disagreeing with you or having a dig makes you rage then you're in the wrong place, whatever "side" you're on.
The sad thing is that there was actually some useful info in that thread but it was hidden by all the playground bickering from both sides.
But then what should I expect, this is pistonheads after all
crimbo said:
... The build quality is not comparable, they are not supporting them in terms of allowing independents to take up the slack....
For me, that's one of the biggest negatives. I followed the link to the air brake video purely out of interest. YouTube then played another very interesting video from Thorney where they were describing their support and how they'd dismantled their 12C after they bought it. They state that McLaren will not sell them diagnostic kit, and won't even tell them how to put the cars into dyno mode.This kind of attitude is what really sucks in my opinion. They may be fabulous cars - I'm sure they are, and I'd love one - but I really don't like the idea that McLaren do everything they can to stop the support network they need.
I'd like my next car to be a McLaren, I even started a thread saying I was considering one. But - as other people have said - it won't happen until they sort out some of these problems.
While I agree that many threads end up very negative regarding McLaren's, and some of the comments really do belong in a playground - I also think that one of the reasons it happens is because McLaren do behave this way and other manufacturers don't. They won't even release the paint codes FFS.
I do think the cars are incredibly cheap for what they are (used). But McLaren really need to sit up and realise that there are many factors taken into account when buying a used car - especially in the ~£100k ballpark - and they're failing in some of those. Big time.
355spiderguy said:
With respect br d, if any of your trip threads were turned into a depreciation, corrosion, braking down, blah blah blah thread i doubt you would turn the other cheek...you would stop posting. Your threads may just escape as they are in the General Gassing thread and not in the McLaren thread. It may well be the only McLaren heavy thread that hasn't been ruined.
I'm interested in the problem areas of McLaren ownership as much as the fantastic ownership that comes with a McLaren.
I like to read and see pics of roadtrips, but i also like to see stuff like the paint issues on Justins car and how Mclaren deal with it...from the firsthand person, not from someone who read about somebodys friends next door neighbour whose McLaren broke down all the time and then sold for half the market value.
I like reading previous / current owners that have had a bad experience to get a balanced view compared to my own experiences so far which have been 1st class and already made me a McLaren convert....i may well have issues in the future but i won't hide them; i shall document them like i have so far just recently with my airbrake.
I just don't like how almost every thread turns into the same thing, albeit the Senna thread took a slight detour after the usual hijack and went a bit nuclear.
I'm not really interested in production numbers or depreciation....that will be relevant when the time comes to sell and i shall deal with that then...just like for every other car i have had.
I reckon all of the above might just be what other McLaren owners would look for in the McLaren forum.
Crazy...huh?
That's a fair point Spider about the road trip threads. I'm interested in the problem areas of McLaren ownership as much as the fantastic ownership that comes with a McLaren.
I like to read and see pics of roadtrips, but i also like to see stuff like the paint issues on Justins car and how Mclaren deal with it...from the firsthand person, not from someone who read about somebodys friends next door neighbour whose McLaren broke down all the time and then sold for half the market value.
I like reading previous / current owners that have had a bad experience to get a balanced view compared to my own experiences so far which have been 1st class and already made me a McLaren convert....i may well have issues in the future but i won't hide them; i shall document them like i have so far just recently with my airbrake.
I just don't like how almost every thread turns into the same thing, albeit the Senna thread took a slight detour after the usual hijack and went a bit nuclear.
I'm not really interested in production numbers or depreciation....that will be relevant when the time comes to sell and i shall deal with that then...just like for every other car i have had.
I reckon all of the above might just be what other McLaren owners would look for in the McLaren forum.
Crazy...huh?
To be honest though my ones are just throw away nonsense for light relief. I do them for the fun of the feedback and to drag a few interested people around with me, I really couldn't see anyone getting involved enough to get angry.
But perhaps you're right, maybe I would flounce, although I'd more likely just laugh.
I will talk about the good and bad stuff relating to my cars (when I hear people say they haven't had one single issue I'm rather sceptical) and this forum should address the joy and the pain but really all this willy waving is just getting too infantile.
It's both sides too. Juno is acting all 'what did I do?' but he's always been a baiter, now we've got mick apparently only pretending to be a cock so he can show us how much of a cock everybody else is.
Really lads?
I was the first one to jump in and ask mick to come back on when he slammed the door, he's a good poster, but then we get this nonsense? Really?
I'm not suggesting anyone here should be setting themselves up as a role model but plenty of people are reading this stuff and it doesn't reflect well. If somebody points and laughs then just laugh back.
Save the teeth-nashing for N, P and E.
Anyway, probably all wasted oxygen.
I don't have axes to grind, its just depressing to watch.
Again more mis information on this thread Thorney have the diagnostic kit, if you bother to look at their web site they even offer re mapping service up to stage 3 tunes.
Paint codes are available now, my local wheel re curb place got the paint code for the stealth wheel finish perfect first time.
Still none of this of any interest because it’s factual, why bother to de bunk old Internet forum myths.
Paint codes are available now, my local wheel re curb place got the paint code for the stealth wheel finish perfect first time.
Still none of this of any interest because it’s factual, why bother to de bunk old Internet forum myths.
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