Paleo Diet Linked to High Levels of Harmful Gut Bacteria
Paleo Diet Linked to High Levels of Harmful Gut Bacteria
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anonymous-user

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83 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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https://www.bicycling.com/news/a28522496/paleo-die...

I've posted before about the issues of limiting carbs, seems like evidence showing that it does have a detrimental effect on the gut fauna, which in turn has health implications overall.

budgie smuggler

6,054 posts

188 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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So they're saying elevated TMAO causes or is linked to heart problems?

Elevated levels of trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO) -- a compound linked with the consumption of fish, seafood and a primarily vegetarian diet -- may reduce hypertension-related heart disease symptoms.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/1811...

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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budgie smuggler said:
So they're saying elevated TMAO causes or is linked to heart problems?

Elevated levels of trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO) -- a compound linked with the consumption of fish, seafood and a primarily vegetarian diet -- may reduce hypertension-related heart disease symptoms.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/1811...

confused
it is pretty specific, ''Our study provides new evidence for a potential beneficial effect of a moderate increase in plasma TMAO on pressure-overloaded heart''

I think the key point is a diverse diet is better than restriction. Higher TMAO levels come from, eating fish, less diverse array of gut bacteria and increased levels of bad versus good bacteria and consuming l-carnitine.

I would say that less diverse gut bacteria combined with high TMAO meat is the bad thing.

Ive brtu interested in gut gorna, there is evidece that it also effect mental heath along with autoimmune deases.

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

262 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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And yet RS and CHO raise TMAO more!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC58857...

"This finding suggests that both higher CHO intake alone and high RS intake alone are sufficient to promote the production of trimethylamine by the colonic microbiota, and that both must be reduced in order to attenuate this process."

These scary headlines are just the grain industry trying to shore up the - very profitable - status quo. Next they'll invent "good TMAO" from grains and "bad TMAO" from meat and fish, you watch.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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grumbledoak said:
And yet RS and CHO raise TMAO more!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC58857...

These scary headlines are just the grain industry trying to shore up the - very profitable - status quo. Next they'll invent "good TMAO" from grains and "bad TMAO" from meat and fish, you watch.
The grain industry conspiracy, that’s a new tin foil hat on for PH.

The issue with TMOA is is in food and can be produced by the body, so measuring it is a minefield. Maintaining a healthy gut fauna with a balanced diet, weather that is grains or other carbs is the thing that seems to be common here..

It’s good that there are studies are what we think is healthy is always changing as more data points elsewhere.


grumbledoak

32,571 posts

262 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Thesprucegoose said:
The grain industry conspiracy, that’s a new tin foil hat on for PH.
rolleyes Eat what you like. But if you think "Heart Healthy Whole Grains" is a scientific term based on hard evidence you're an idiot.