997.1 GT3 Track Day Steel Brake Recommendations - FRONT

[WindyM]

I want to keep the rear brakes genuine Porsche for the Porsche extended warranty, so the fronts need to compliment the rears if possible. It came with JZM's Alcons with Pagid RSL29s which I am tempted to go for again unless the consensus says otherwise!
I do 3000 miles per year and 5 track days.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations.
Windy

[AlasdairB10]

My car has Cup discs on it and they are great. These look to be the same ones. Not sure how these work with your warranty so best to check with your OPC.

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod135870/Brake-Di...

[WindyM]

Thanks, Alasdair - I hadn't thought of using Cups. Do you recall which pads you use with them?

[Taffy66]

Digga is the guy you need to ask this.He has a stunning 997.1GT3 used a lot on trackdays and has updated his brakes for this very purpose..Can't remember offhand what he fitted but last time i spoke to him he was very pleased with the brakes..

[mm450exc]

Alcon/PFC08 all around works best for me.

[Porsche911R]

WindyM said:

I want to keep the rear brakes genuine Porsche for the Porsche extended warranty,
Windy

oem then !!

[AlasdairB10]

WindyM said:

Thanks, Alasdair - I hadn't thought of using Cups. Do you recall which pads you use with them?

Pagid RS29s. They don't squeak too much. Loads of stopping power.

[WindyM]

Porsche911R said:

WindyM said:

I want to keep the rear brakes genuine Porsche for the Porsche extended warranty,
Windy

oem then !!

That's what I did and they lasted 11 months/3000 miles/5 track days!

I'm prepared to retrofit in the event of a claim. Everything else is 100% genuine.

[WindyM]

AlasdairB10 said:

WindyM said:

Thanks, Alasdair - I hadn't thought of using Cups. Do you recall which pads you use with them?

Pagid RS29s. They don't squeak too much. Loads of stopping power.

Thank you. Presumably, they're designed to withstand a few race weekends without heat cracking the drill holes?

[Digga]

I swapped my PCCB's off my 997.1 GT3 CS and went for a set of Alcon discs and Pagid pads. You need to talk to Nick (NXI20 on here and 911uk) at Uber9's for advice, but I've been very happy with mine.

Uber9's here: https://uber9s.com/product-category/997/997-gt/997...

[WindyM]

Thanks, Digga.
Mine had JZM branded Alcons on when I bought it. Sounds like for good reason!
Cheers
Windy

[Digga]

JZM rate them and Sports & Classic, who do most of the servicing and set-up on my car also rate them. IIRC Mike has some on his 996 GT3 CS.

If you, look at the images the Alcon are not drilled, but grooved. This apparently improves performance, although the downside is a bit more brake dust. You can't have it all!

[hunter 66]

Yes Digga , not sure why they stick to drilled discs as can crack, the Motorsport parts have the grooves.
Finally got on top of the braking in the road RS at SS , found the issue I had at Donny , called size 13 shoes , and on breaking was pushing the accelerator at the same time ..... oops.
Anyway lifting and breaking after the turn in boards on Hanger and national straight , so as good as the race car ..... impressed .

So 7 track days , a hill climb event and 6 k miles , still very little wear on the steel brakes and no cracks even starting .Not sure where the wear stories come from , also like at least a half a lap cool down or else they make a lot of noise in the pits ...

[Digga]

Was at PEC Silverstone yesterday for the (excellent) 320 celebrating of the GT3's 20th year.

There was some discussion within our group and with instructors about brakes. On the subject of drilled discs, the advice is to try and use a airline to blow brake dust out of the holes. It is this, getting stuck inside holes and then expanding differently that can cause some damage apparently.

I'm sure a 991.2 RS is an absolute missile once you don't mix braking and accelerating!

[TDT]

Digga said:

Was at PEC Silverstone yesterday for the (excellent) 320 celebrating of the GT3's 20th year.

There was some discussion within our group and with instructors about brakes. On the subject of drilled discs, the advice is to try and use a airline to blow brake dust out of the holes. It is this, getting stuck inside holes and then expanding differently that can cause some damage apparently.

I'm sure a 991.2 RS is an absolute missile once you don't mix braking and accelerating!

Damn it. I knew i should have just trundled up to watch. Ended up procrastinating and watching the weather.

I hope you all had fun. What did you get up to?

[hunter 66]

Yes damn ... missed that and yes was doing nothing as well ..

[Porsche911R]

I nipped in, got a nice GT3 20th car sticker :-)

Some nice GT3 in the car park .

[robgt3]

Sorry if its been asked before. What is the life expectancy of PCCB's before they need replacing? I appreciate that the answer is dependant on usage. Plus is there a check for wear that can be done without visiting an OPC ? Personally I would not know what I was looking for.

[Digga]

TDT said:

I hope you all had fun. What did you get up to?

Wasn't really sure what to expect. I'd been to PEC a couple of times before, but this was obviously something a bit different.

The event had the potential to be a lot of anoraks and car polishers with garage queens, but was (I thought) a nicely run event.

The event was split into AM and PM sessions. The sessions split into various groups, to limit the number on track/course at any one time. It seemed to work well, as there was very little 'traffic' and any of the bits of the PEC facility were available.

Each driver had an instructor for the session and the format was 45 mins in your own car, then an hour break which gave 15 mins to get a drink and then your group had an open Q&A with two instructors in one of the conference rooms. This worked well and was interesting - both owners' and instructor's comments. Then back out for 45 and then another Q&A 'de-brief'.

I did wonder if I'd perhaps not enjoy using my own car. For me, that fear was unfounded, as I'm happy to 'use' the car on track anyway and being in something I'm so familiar with made the tracks and handling courses really come alive. I felt I did better in most areas than I ever did in the PEC cars.

[Porsche911R]

hunter 66 said:

Yes Digga , not sure why they stick to drilled discs as can crack, the Motorsport parts have the grooves.
...

very simple answer, we have road cars :-) groves disks make a load more noise, which people don't like for road use.

you could say why do we have PASM, 20" wheels, cheap calipers, chocolate diff's etc etc also.