Jaguar xk150 registration problem
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Hi All,
This is a long story but I will try and cut it down as much as possible!
I recently bought a 1960 Jaguar XK150 DHC at an auction. The car has been off the road since 1974 and only two previous owners. The car came with the original log book (green ) and last taxed in 1974 (tax disc with the car docs). I have tried to obtain a v5 doc from the DVLA after sending them the reg doc and a Jaguar heritage certificate but strangely as the vehicle has never been registered it does not appear on any DVLA computers - which I understand.
I have assumed they can check the reg number hasnt been "sold off"? Anyway,to keep the number on a non transferable basis I have to show that the vehicle is entitled to it by checking with one of the various vehicle owners clubs.
Now , my question is how can this be more "reliant" than me having the log book and the Jaguar heritage certificate? I did go back to the DVLA but they are sticking to this!
Any help please?
This is a long story but I will try and cut it down as much as possible!
I recently bought a 1960 Jaguar XK150 DHC at an auction. The car has been off the road since 1974 and only two previous owners. The car came with the original log book (green ) and last taxed in 1974 (tax disc with the car docs). I have tried to obtain a v5 doc from the DVLA after sending them the reg doc and a Jaguar heritage certificate but strangely as the vehicle has never been registered it does not appear on any DVLA computers - which I understand.
I have assumed they can check the reg number hasnt been "sold off"? Anyway,to keep the number on a non transferable basis I have to show that the vehicle is entitled to it by checking with one of the various vehicle owners clubs.
Now , my question is how can this be more "reliant" than me having the log book and the Jaguar heritage certificate? I did go back to the DVLA but they are sticking to this!
Any help please?
Just been through this with a 1964 Land Rover that had been off the road since 1970. I had a DOT white V5 from the late 60s plus some other DOT forms from the period. I applied and was told 'fine V5c will be issued'. Wrong, next had to sign a declaration that the key components were original type/original to the car. Waited after this and was then told that the vehicle had to be inspected by their appointed company. All done and original number and V5c issued. Total time around ten weeks.
It may have been easier to go through the club but got there in the end.
Probably worth talking to one of the clubs.
I understand that the main concern is cloned or 'bitsa' cars.
It may have been easier to go through the club but got there in the end.
Probably worth talking to one of the clubs.
I understand that the main concern is cloned or 'bitsa' cars.
530dTPhil said:
I understand that the main concern is cloned or 'bitsa' cars.
This seems unlikely as the OP has a heritage certificate, they'll only confirm the numbers you have are original, they won't supply any missing ones or correct any that don't agree with the factory records.As to clubs, I'd guess there are three.
The two main Jaguar ones, the JEC and the JDC, depending on who is strongest in your area. Then there is also the XK club, their archivist, David Bentley has a lot of additional records, other notable recorders of XKs include John Elmgreen,although he's based down under he has a lot of information on the histories of many of the cars.
There is also the xkdata website.
Similar to mentioned above. I have a client who purchased an old Triumph that has been stored since the mid 70’s and dropped off the DVLA records.
Like you he has the old paper logbook and also had to get a letter from someone in the owners club to confirm the car is what it says on the paperwork. This was done and it is now registered. Has kept the original number which is non transferable which is a shame as it’s probably worth more than the car.
Like you he has the old paper logbook and also had to get a letter from someone in the owners club to confirm the car is what it says on the paperwork. This was done and it is now registered. Has kept the original number which is non transferable which is a shame as it’s probably worth more than the car.
It is my understanding and experience that you significantly improve your application to the DVLA to retain the original number if you can:
a) present originals or certified copies of documents that prove the connection between the registration number you seek and the car identified by chassis number.
b) use the car club to certify that the car is what you say it is, ie make/model/body type and to confirm that the chassis number you are quoting has been inspected and checked and is correct.
They much prefer not to rely solely on Heritage certificate or club records to link the chassis number to a registration number.
In your case, I would expect that the original log book will satisfy a) above, but see only upside in seeing if you can get a certified copy of the original registration ledger from the respective Council records which was responsible back in the day for issuing the registration number. Unfortunately some councils destroyed their records. As an example, if Jaguar registered your car at their local council (Coventry) you will be able to do this via the Coventry Transport museum. If for example you car was registered in Birmingham you will not, since Birmingham Council destroyed the majority of their records.
See http://kitheadtrust.org.uk/trace-a-registration-ma... as a first step
a) present originals or certified copies of documents that prove the connection between the registration number you seek and the car identified by chassis number.
b) use the car club to certify that the car is what you say it is, ie make/model/body type and to confirm that the chassis number you are quoting has been inspected and checked and is correct.
They much prefer not to rely solely on Heritage certificate or club records to link the chassis number to a registration number.
In your case, I would expect that the original log book will satisfy a) above, but see only upside in seeing if you can get a certified copy of the original registration ledger from the respective Council records which was responsible back in the day for issuing the registration number. Unfortunately some councils destroyed their records. As an example, if Jaguar registered your car at their local council (Coventry) you will be able to do this via the Coventry Transport museum. If for example you car was registered in Birmingham you will not, since Birmingham Council destroyed the majority of their records.
See http://kitheadtrust.org.uk/trace-a-registration-ma... as a first step
4rephill said:
2Hooky said:
Many thanks to everyone - responses are very useful. I will keep the original number on it - I am surprised it wasnt sold as it is quite a unique number!
You may find that the number is non-transferable, and therefore worthless to anyone else.If one was a cynic, one would assume that DVLA are waiting for the car to be scrapped so they can then reallocate it themselves via an auction that brings them a lot of money...
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