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Sorry if this is already covered on another thread, I could not see anything.
Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
Then if she died of hunger (poor girl), and had been dead for at least 3 days but missing for 10, should she really not have been able to be found in the 7 days odd since.....only what, 2km from her room? I know it is jungle but even so?
And was / is it a wise idea to take such a young girl to a resort like that?
Very tragic and sad case, and I make no accusations at all toward any party, but it just all reads a bit odd to me? IS this investigation as thorough as it should be, if so, should this girl have been in that position? Regardless, RIP Nora.
On a genuinely totally separate note, (and making no comment at all about this family's reasons for being there, but as the issue is very "topical" at present), there is a certain irony that people travel 6000 miles across the world to go to an "eco resort" . Should such a resort not only be open to more local people?
Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
Then if she died of hunger (poor girl), and had been dead for at least 3 days but missing for 10, should she really not have been able to be found in the 7 days odd since.....only what, 2km from her room? I know it is jungle but even so?
And was / is it a wise idea to take such a young girl to a resort like that?
Very tragic and sad case, and I make no accusations at all toward any party, but it just all reads a bit odd to me? IS this investigation as thorough as it should be, if so, should this girl have been in that position? Regardless, RIP Nora.
On a genuinely totally separate note, (and making no comment at all about this family's reasons for being there, but as the issue is very "topical" at present), there is a certain irony that people travel 6000 miles across the world to go to an "eco resort" . Should such a resort not only be open to more local people?
I suspect she was moving around maybe even evading the searchers for whatever reason was in her head. Children with Issues do have problems that need to be managed both for their and others safety. This seems to be a case of trying to have a light touch that didn't work and ended badly.
As someone who has a special needs child, well an adult now, this tragic event resonates with me.
There, but for the grace of god, go I.
My lad never wandered off, but he could have, from any number of places.
If this, as it appears, is a simple case of Nora going for a walk and getting lost, then please don't beat up her parents.
They will be doing that themselves, forever.
There, but for the grace of god, go I.
My lad never wandered off, but he could have, from any number of places.
If this, as it appears, is a simple case of Nora going for a walk and getting lost, then please don't beat up her parents.
They will be doing that themselves, forever.
poo at Paul's said:
Sorry if this is already covered on another thread, I could not see anything.
Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
No idea, but her parents (who would be the best people to have knowledge of her condition and how it affected her and those around her) thought it was OK.Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
poo at Paul's said:
Then if she died of hunger (poor girl), and had been dead for at least 3 days but missing for 10, should she really not have been able to be found in the 7 days odd since.....only what, 2km from her room? I know it is jungle but even so?
I've been involved in searches in relatively small area of mostly open ground and it takes ages.
Been following it closely, really sad to see the outcome and for poor Nora who must have suffered. Her parents were adamant that she would not have walked off on her own and so i wonder whether an element of coercion was involved. I understand that unknown prints were found on the window.
poo at Paul's said:
Sorry if this is already covered on another thread, I could not see anything.
Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
Then if she died of hunger (poor girl), and had been dead for at least 3 days but missing for 10, should she really not have been able to be found in the 7 days odd since.....only what, 2km from her room? I know it is jungle but even so?
And was / is it a wise idea to take such a young girl to a resort like that?
Very tragic and sad case, and I make no accusations at all toward any party, but it just all reads a bit odd to me? IS this investigation as thorough as it should be, if so, should this girl have been in that position? Regardless, RIP Nora.
On a genuinely totally separate note, (and making no comment at all about this family's reasons for being there, but as the issue is very "topical" at present), there is a certain irony that people travel 6000 miles across the world to go to an "eco resort" . Should such a resort not only be open to more local people?
Yeah i agree too, it doesn't seem to add up but guess we only hear/see certain things!Anyone else been following this Nora Quoirin case? Tragic loss of a young vulnerable girl's life, but there's a few things I have read about it all that sit rather uncomfortably with me.
Seems today that they say she died of hunger and stress, and had a brain affecting medical condition. And yet was discovered missing from a room she shared with her two younger siblings in some Eco Resort in Malaysia?
Should she have been sharing a room with two younger siblings, no parents there? Should the siblings not have had a parent in the room? Of course it may be a suite and a separate bedroom just for the kids, it's just worded a bit oddly.
Then if she died of hunger (poor girl), and had been dead for at least 3 days but missing for 10, should she really not have been able to be found in the 7 days odd since.....only what, 2km from her room? I know it is jungle but even so?
And was / is it a wise idea to take such a young girl to a resort like that?
Very tragic and sad case, and I make no accusations at all toward any party, but it just all reads a bit odd to me? IS this investigation as thorough as it should be, if so, should this girl have been in that position? Regardless, RIP Nora.
On a genuinely totally separate note, (and making no comment at all about this family's reasons for being there, but as the issue is very "topical" at present), there is a certain irony that people travel 6000 miles across the world to go to an "eco resort" . Should such a resort not only be open to more local people?
Bit that got me was the searchers that found her said that area had been checked the previous day or so and she would have been found as the body was in plain sight.....but yet the authorities state she died 6 or 7 days in but was found on day 10! Either she was moved or someone wasn't searching where they said they had?
Also i saw a picture of the room and the parents bed is right next to the stairs where she went down to leave and didn't disturb her sister or her parents then managed to leave a locked compound?!
There may be simple answers but just on the face of it, it doesn't quite add up!
Such a horrible thing to happen to any family though!
Edited by AbzGuyGTI on Thursday 15th August 11:22
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Would it be dehydration rather than hunger? I was under the impression the body could go 30 days without food before death.
Sad event in any case
I wondered that. According to the BBC, "She died from internal bleeding probably caused by hunger and stress, a post-mortem examination revealed." I suspect her learning needs may have meant she was more susceptible to stress once she realised she was lost.Sad event in any case
Who knows why she climbed out of the window? Suddenly fancied exploring? Needed air? I suspect we'll never know.
Tragic event.
I’ve actually stayed in a “Rainforest” hotel complex in Malaysia
There was a main part to the hotel and then remote luxury huts/cabins deep into the forest but linked by walkways/golf carts to the beech and main building
What I would say, is that as an adult with a sound mental state and a very good sense of direction it would be very difficult to keep your bearings during the day let alone at night, if you wandered off grid into the forest
For a child, probably distressed, it would be horrific and nigh on impossible
I don’t think we should be looking to blame .. it’s just a tragic event
There was a main part to the hotel and then remote luxury huts/cabins deep into the forest but linked by walkways/golf carts to the beech and main building
What I would say, is that as an adult with a sound mental state and a very good sense of direction it would be very difficult to keep your bearings during the day let alone at night, if you wandered off grid into the forest
For a child, probably distressed, it would be horrific and nigh on impossible
I don’t think we should be looking to blame .. it’s just a tragic event
Earthdweller said:
I’ve actually stayed in a “Rainforest” hotel complex in Malaysia
There was a main part to the hotel and then remote luxury huts/cabins deep into the forest but linked by walkways/golf carts to the beech and main building
What I would say, is that as an adult with a sound mental state and a very good sense of direction it would be very difficult to keep your bearings during the day let alone at night, if you wandered off grid into the forest
For a child, probably distressed, it would be horrific and nigh on impossible
I don’t think we should be looking to blame .. it’s just a tragic event
This.There was a main part to the hotel and then remote luxury huts/cabins deep into the forest but linked by walkways/golf carts to the beech and main building
What I would say, is that as an adult with a sound mental state and a very good sense of direction it would be very difficult to keep your bearings during the day let alone at night, if you wandered off grid into the forest
For a child, probably distressed, it would be horrific and nigh on impossible
I don’t think we should be looking to blame .. it’s just a tragic event
Camelot1971 said:
Story also said she was found "unclothed" but they suspect no foul play. Taking all your clothes off in a jungle seems an odd thing to do, even if the poor kid had mental health issues.
May have had sensory issues which isn't uncommon. Mates little lad has it and he cant wear clothes made from certain fabrics, as they give him sensory overload and he either kicks off or strips off.Camelot1971 said:
Story also said she was found "unclothed" but they suspect no foul play. Taking all your clothes off in a jungle seems an odd thing to do, even if the poor kid had mental health issues.
She may have suffered a hypothermic episode that contributed to her death. Many people suffering hypothermia will take off their clothes. Dazed, confused, cold, wet, scared, sick, and already suffering from other medical conditions and her pre-existing issues probably meant anything could have happened to her which you might find reason to question the circumstances and details of her death.
this isn't Bear Grills wandering around a hostile environment this was a little girl with many problems lost, scared and alone.
Poor little thing.
I was about to start a thread on this too actually, surprised there wasn't one already.
She was put to bed in her underwear I believe. No prior history of wandering off apparently. Decides to leave her bedroom via the window in the middle of the night, then evades capture/survives in the jungle for a whole week before being discovered naked in a "sleeping position" by a group of hikers in an area of jungle that had previously been searched.
I have no experience of her condition or point of reference, but the whole thing seems very odd - and incredibly tragic.
She was put to bed in her underwear I believe. No prior history of wandering off apparently. Decides to leave her bedroom via the window in the middle of the night, then evades capture/survives in the jungle for a whole week before being discovered naked in a "sleeping position" by a group of hikers in an area of jungle that had previously been searched.
I have no experience of her condition or point of reference, but the whole thing seems very odd - and incredibly tragic.
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