Alfa romeo treatment of the rookie
Alfa romeo treatment of the rookie
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Fundoreen

Original Poster:

4,180 posts

105 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2019
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It seems that the kimi show does what it wants.Doesnt really participate in anything but the driving.
Apparently he seems to just get in and drive.None of this is any help to his rookie team mate who would probably need some help on
which way to go with setup.
The whole thing calculated to make kimi look good against his floundering team mate?
The team should know better but the probably buy in to this nonsense.
I like kimi but there is a lot of revision going on now about how great he is.
He was walloped every season after his world title at ferrari after all.
Walks on water that bloke.

SteBrown91

2,960 posts

151 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2019
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Not sure where you have heard this from. Fred Vasseur has said kimi has been a vital asset in developing the car and team.

ghost83

5,609 posts

212 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2019
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And doesn’t kimi now have part of the team, I’m sure I read that someone

glazbagun

15,083 posts

219 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Kimi is obviously very good as both a raw talent and now as a veteran. Alfa are Sauber saved from disaster by Ferrari money wanting another B team alongside Haas.

So it will be interesting to see if Sauber become a Torro Rosso training pit for new talent, or a dumping ground for wealthy test drivers developing Ferrari Aero and engine improvements to overturn Mercedes orthodox superiority.

StevieBee

14,725 posts

277 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Everyone you meet, read or listen to from within the F1 circle will tell you there are two Kimis - the one we see; the ambivalent caricature of few words and actions and the other the insiders see; an exceptionally fast, competent and complete racing driver and very much the team player, verbose and great fun.

He was considered quick enough to be granted special compensation of a super-licence after just a handful of British Formula Renault races. He's still in F1 18 years on even having done a bit of WRC as well.

A driver with the deficiencies the OP mentions would not last this long in the sport.

Mellow Yellow

904 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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...and Giovinazzi isn't a Rookie, he raced/tested in 2017 and was pretty mediocre then. If they want an Italian driver they should give Luca Ghiotto a try but I suspect he'll be more of the same. You never know though, Ferrari's most successful driver didn't look particularly special until he moved to F1.

Fundoreen

Original Poster:

4,180 posts

105 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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With Monza coming up so soon I will take on board all that was said.
Sauber have not really got anywhere in F1 for all the years they have been around though. A few good results with talented drivers flatter them a bit.
They seem to build a house of straw that will collapse once the talent moves on.
I dont know what the Italians gain having an Italian driver looking bad though unless the Italian Kimi love trumps all.

DanielSan

19,747 posts

189 months

Thursday 5th September 2019
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With living so close to the factory as well I'd imagine he's the only driver who actually goes into his teams factory as much as he does in between races. He was even doing the odd job on his car himself over winter including chopping his seat to get it in the car. He's nearly 40, more than quick enough to deserve his seat in F1 still and has pretty much single handedly scored all of Alfa/Sauber's points this season, if there is any extra team support behind Kimi it's down to the fact that he pays the team back with results.

andrewcliffe

1,434 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th September 2019
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Sauber's had an up and down history...

They started in F1 with a relationship with Mercedes, but it didn't work out, so Mercedes went to McLaren and then took over Tyrrell-BAR-Brawn. What could have been....

They introduced Red Bull to Formula 1, but after several seasons Red Bull decide to acquire the Stewart-Jaguar team rather than Sauber... What could have been...

They were bought out by BMW over Williams and becamse a factory team, but it didn't work out. What could have been...

DanielSan

19,747 posts

189 months

Friday 6th September 2019
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Peter Sauber wouldn't sell his team that's why Red Bull bought Jaguar instead, the name on the door might change due to sponsorship but I don't think he'd ever sell up completely aslong as he has a breath left in his body.

C Lee Farquar

4,157 posts

238 months

Friday 6th September 2019
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I thought he'd sold all his shares to Longbow?

Europa Jon

630 posts

145 months

Friday 6th September 2019
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We're veering off the original topic, but how many others think of similarities between Peter Sauber and Frank Williams (post-glory era)?

NewUsername

925 posts

78 months

Monday 9th September 2019
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OP is on crack

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