What would happen if the no deal become law and EU say Non
Discussion
I wondered this.
If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
S1KRR said:
I wondered this.
If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
The Bill as presented contains the text of the letter he is supposed to send. I've just read a rather convoluted article about why the Bill as it stands may present a rather obscure constitutional problem due to what it requires the PM to accept. Too long to post from my phone but Google "Queens Consent" in relation to the Bill. As far as I can understand because the Bill requires the PM to accept this then it affects the use of the Royal Prerogative and a Bill which does so can be dropped by the Government. If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
AJL308 said:
https://royalcentral.co.uk/interests/state/breaking-john-bercow-rules-that-the-queens-consent-is-not-required-for-bill-blocking-no-deal-brexit-130072/AJL308 said:
S1KRR said:
I wondered this.
If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
The Bill as presented contains the text of the letter he is supposed to send. I've just read a rather convoluted article about why the Bill as it stands may present a rather obscure constitutional problem due to what it requires the PM to accept. Too long to post from my phone but Google "Queens Consent" in relation to the Bill. As far as I can understand because the Bill requires the PM to accept this then it affects the use of the Royal Prerogative and a Bill which does so can be dropped by the Government. If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
If it had, then Johnson could have stopped it after the second reading in the commons today.
S1KRR said:
I wondered this.
If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
It will be either 1 or 2.If Boris is FORCED to ask.
1) There's no guarantee they'll say Of course, have till January
2) They might say "No, you have to revoke Article 50 now"
3) Boris could write the letter saying "I am asking you for an extension in accordance with the HoC demand. But let me tell you that we will be belligerent on every EU issue if you grant it
4) They'll just say "No, we're sick of it all. You're oooot"
If it is 1 then we will find ourselves in the same situation whenever the new deadline comes around. Corbyn wants to continue this for as long as he possibly can as he believes that the longer it takes the more the threat to the Tories grows from TBP.
If it is 2 then we will have to sit and wait 3 years to the next election when Corbyn hopes that TBP will wipe out the Tories.
Corbyn thinks that TBP will hurt the Tories more than Labour. If he is right then he will win a massive majority and be able to change the Country forever into his vision of socialism. If he is wrong then he is no worse off than he was before.
Pesty said:
They wouldn’t say no. They need us.
Which is why those idiots throwing away our negotiating strength are idiots.
It's a war of attrition. They know Scotland will break away and rejoin the EU (yes, naughty EU won't play by their own rules and will agree fast admission). That leaves a fractured and volatile England, Wales and Northern Ireland. All obvious to the EU so they have all the cards. It's not the EU that's in danger of falling apart. It's the UK.Which is why those idiots throwing away our negotiating strength are idiots.
I heard that any extension has to be agreed by the EU 28 not EU27, in short BoJo could veto his own extension request. Think the problem would be if they say no on the 17th (EU meeting) it then gives Comrades Corbyn 2 weeks to take over parliament and get legislation fast tracked for revoking A50.
B210bandit said:
It's a war of attrition. They know Scotland will break away and rejoin the EU (yes, naughty EU won't play by their own rules and will agree fast admission).
You are Alex Salmond AICMFP. (He lied about this on the BBC then was too cowardly to admit to it so sent his depute to retract it in the Scottish parliament).You are as ignorant as you are stupid. The Brexit fiasco is all about stopping contagion from the EU side. Doing what you suggest will open the door to secession states popping up all over 'Europe', starting with Catalonia, then the Basques, and continuing into Eastern Europe. It just isn't going to happen the way you think it is.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th September 07:36
tribalsurfer said:
I heard that any extension has to be agreed by the EU 28 not EU27, in short BoJo could veto his own extension request. Think the problem would be if they say no on the 17th (EU meeting) it then gives Comrades Corbyn 2 weeks to take over parliament and get legislation fast tracked for revoking A50.
Johnson can’t veto his own extension request. Article 50 says that we cannot participate in decisions about our own exit. I would be amazed if the EU will not to give us time for an election. The big issue at this point is if an election can be held BEFORE a delay needs to be requested on the 19th Oct 2019.
Corbyn seems to have spotted that is a bad idea.
Pesty said:
They wouldn’t say no. They need us.
Which is why those idiots throwing away our negotiating strength are idiots.
Which is why those idiots throwing away our negotiating strength are idiots.
No they want to stop brexit at any cost, they don't care about anything else , so f
king up the standing of our country self respect and democracy , letting Corbyn into power the remoaner scum see it all as a price worth making millions of people pay. . B210bandit said:
They know Scotland will break away and rejoin the EU (yes, naughty EU won't play by their own rules and will agree fast admission).
Oh aye, because what the EU needs is another basket case parasite of a country waiting on handouts. Would highlight the corruption in Brussels if they turned a blind eye to the £12bn deficit we'd be carrying, I'm sure Germany and France can't wait to start paying for that... 
Pesty said:
They wouldn’t say no. They need us.
The need us like I need my 65" tv with surround sound. I'd like to keep it if I can, but I'll survive perfectly well without it. Some adjustment on my part will be required, but I'll cope. And like us, they've been making preparations for us going with no deal, so they are in a far better position to live without us than they were. You sound very much like Michael Gove...we hold all the cards. It's was jingoistic b
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