20 mph prosecutions...or not.
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Our town (in Scotland) has recently had a near 100% 20 mph limit installed.
I’ve just read in the local rag that the police had a crackdown in speeding motorists.
The stats are interesting. 80 vehicles were checked, 25 were stopped and warned and only 2 were reported for speeding at 35 and 38 mph respectively.
Is there any reason why the other 25 weren’t prosecuted as well as presumably at least some of them would be pretty near the 30 mph mark?
Were the police simply being lenient or is there a problem getting a prosecution under 30 mph?
I’ve just read in the local rag that the police had a crackdown in speeding motorists.
The stats are interesting. 80 vehicles were checked, 25 were stopped and warned and only 2 were reported for speeding at 35 and 38 mph respectively.
Is there any reason why the other 25 weren’t prosecuted as well as presumably at least some of them would be pretty near the 30 mph mark?
Were the police simply being lenient or is there a problem getting a prosecution under 30 mph?
In London the Police generally will give quite a bit of leeway (especially at night) and treat a 20mph the same as a 30mph road, the Councils want to take over enforcing the 20mph limits and if they do then expect to be ticketed at 22mph 24/7.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
This guy was panicking about getting a ban: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Drawweight said:
Our town (in Scotland) has recently had a near 100% 20 mph limit installed.
I’ve just read in the local rag that the police had a crackdown in speeding motorists.
The stats are interesting. 80 vehicles were checked, 25 were stopped and warned and only 2 were reported for speeding at 35 and 38 mph respectively.
Is there any reason why the other 25 weren’t prosecuted as well as presumably at least some of them would be pretty near the 30 mph mark?
Were the police simply being lenient or is there a problem getting a prosecution under 30 mph?
Jesus - What a depressing site.I’ve just read in the local rag that the police had a crackdown in speeding motorists.
The stats are interesting. 80 vehicles were checked, 25 were stopped and warned and only 2 were reported for speeding at 35 and 38 mph respectively.
Is there any reason why the other 25 weren’t prosecuted as well as presumably at least some of them would be pretty near the 30 mph mark?
Were the police simply being lenient or is there a problem getting a prosecution under 30 mph?
I guess there should be prosecutions but at a reasonable speed limit. 20 is not reasonable , natural or required.
I live on a 20 limit road on the edge of Mayor Kahn’s caliphate - it was imposed after a consultation that was ignored. The road runs parallel to the A22, and is used by everyone as a way to avoid the frequent roadworks. Not seen anyone do 20, seldom under 40 and even the buses crack on at at least 35 - not seen or heard of a single enforcement so just a load of dosh for the contractor putting up the signs - a monumental waste of cash that could have spent fixing the bloody potholes instead
vitesse2000 said:
I live on a 20 limit road on the edge of Mayor Kahn’s caliphate - it was imposed after a consultation that was ignored. The road runs parallel to the A22, and is used by everyone as a way to avoid the frequent roadworks. Not seen anyone do 20, seldom under 40 and even the buses crack on at at least 35 - not seen or heard of a single enforcement so just a load of dosh for the contractor putting up the signs - a monumental waste of cash that could have spent fixing the bloody potholes instead
But they a relying on the pot holes to help enforce the 20 limit, once the road looks like the surface of the moon in a particularly bad patch, the council can sit back and relax, safe in the knowledge that none of the MKnight702 said:
But they a relying on the pot holes to help enforce the 20 limit, once the road looks like the surface of the moon in a particularly bad patch, the council can sit back and relax, safe in the knowledge that none of the motorists evildoers will be able to exceed a brisk walking pace on what they laughingly call roads.
.They are not pot holes - they are inverted speed humps!
untakenname said:
In London the Police generally will give quite a bit of leeway (especially at night) and treat a 20mph the same as a 30mph road, the Councils want to take over enforcing the 20mph limits and if they do then expect to be ticketed at 22mph 24/7.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
Every police car I have followed in SE London in the extensive 20 zones for many years drives at 30, had loads follow me at 30, not a peep out of themhttps://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
Pica-Pica said:
As usual, I will point out that vehicle speedometers do not have to be accurately calibrated below 40 kph (approx 24 mph), so I cannot imagine a successful prosecution below 25 mph.
UN-ECE regulation 39
I can see that getting you past the roadside attitude test with flying colours. If you did take it to court then is " I don't have a speedometer / my speedometer doesn't work (at those speeds)" a valid defence?UN-ECE regulation 39
Speeding enforcement is actually quite lenient though.
Most of the traffic on urban roads travels above the posted speed limit and it's rare to hear of anyone getting a ticket going a just few miles an hour over.
That means that on some urban roads with a 30mph limit much traffic is travelling around 35-38mph with apparent impunity.
Where I live in Manchester, in places where those speeds are regarded as unacceptable, the authorities have put in 20 limits with calming measures where appropriate. This results in the traffic generally travelling at 25-30mph - below the previously ignored 30mph limit.
Surely that's a better method of controlling speeds than putting cameras everywhere?
Wooda80 said:
Pica-Pica said:
As usual, I will point out that vehicle speedometers do not have to be accurately calibrated below 40 kph (approx 24 mph), so I cannot imagine a successful prosecution below 25 mph.
UN-ECE regulation 39
I can see that getting you past the roadside attitude test with flying colours. If you did take it to court then is " I don't have a speedometer / my speedometer doesn't work (at those speeds)" a valid defence?UN-ECE regulation 39
Speeding enforcement is actually quite lenient though.
Most of the traffic on urban roads travels above the posted speed limit and it's rare to hear of anyone getting a ticket going a just few miles an hour over.
That means that on some urban roads with a 30mph limit much traffic is travelling around 35-38mph with apparent impunity.
Where I live in Manchester, in places where those speeds are regarded as unacceptable, the authorities have put in 20 limits with calming measures where appropriate. This results in the traffic generally travelling at 25-30mph - below the previously ignored 30mph limit.
Surely that's a better method of controlling speeds than putting cameras everywhere?
20 limits and 30 limits are pretty sacrosanct to me. I love holding back traffic at 32mph in a 30, even set limiter to 30 sometimes, you know they are going to be left behind when it opens up to 60.
Read these posts long enough, and plenty of people will have been on a SAC for 35-36mph in a 30 limit. I know, my wife was! She came back ‘be careful, there is a speed camera through xxx village’. A week later she got the NIP for 36mph.
Psycho Warren said:
that london link claims they want to eliminate road deaths by 2041. lol. i guess they are hoping to ban all vehicles from london to achieve that?
cyclists would have to be banned as well as they occasionally kill pedestrianswould they count people stabbed to death in the roads in their figures?
GPSHead said:
Haven't been on this forum for years following the Invasion of the Sanctimonious Totalitarians. Pleasantly surprised not to see any of their predictable self-righteous drivel on this thread. Have they gone off in a huff, or do they just not deign to post in relatively short threads?
You obviously haven't been back on this forum very long either - Stick around, the BRAKE brigade will be along before you know it! 
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