Vantage V8 AMR Pro (1 of 7) for sale
Discussion
This was quite an 'odd-ball' limited edition Vantage model.
Can never be driven on road, but on track it would not beat a much cheaper GT4 Vantage.
What would you do with it ?
Judging by just 10 miles in one year, the answer is presumably not much.
Perhaps the 10 miles could suggest, that this car has never been sold.
Announced in March 2017 and built by Special Vehicle Operations at Wellesbourne, Warwickshire.
Jon39 said:
This was quite an 'odd-ball' limited edition Vantage model.
Can never be driven on road, but on track it would not beat a much cheaper GT4 Vantage.
What would you do with it ?
Judging by just 10 miles in one year, the answer is presumably not much.
Perhaps the 10 miles could suggest, that this car has never been sold.
Announced in March 2017 and built by Special Vehicle Operations at Wellesbourne, Warwickshire.
raceboy said:
But how hard would it be to make it road legal seeing as there's a Vulcan pootling about with plates on. 
Or would that detract from it's 'Collectable' status
It says in the advert that it could be IVA’d to make it road legal. Being the only road legal AMR pro may make it more appealing?Or would that detract from it's 'Collectable' status
I can't see it ever really appreciating much value wise, why would it ? The whole "collectable" issue has got a bit out of hand I think. It used to be that old race cars with heritage were collectable, limited run classic cars that were actually usable (when new) were collectable etc. Now it just seems that people think absolutely anything that's not built in many numbers will automatically become collectable and worth untold fortunes in years to come (Porsche GT3 & 2 spring to mind)......I don't subscribe to that train of thought.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
Big Ry said:
...... how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
As someone who did not realise that I should be buying cheap E-types or DB4s in the 1970s, perhaps I am hardly qualified to comment. I do though agree with Ryan, that the present collectors car bubble probably cannot continue long-term.
If only 7 of a kind is important, then take a look at my Vantage list.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
In amongst the numerous limited editions, you will see some with even fewer than 7 cars made.
Many of the current classic car owners have bought cars later in life, after having admired them as youngsters.
As that generation passes, the circumstances will be different and demand presumably will reduce.
Aston Martin responded well to the recent demand for new Limited edition cars. I have a feeling that possibly the pair of cars for £7 million, might have been their peak of how to extract collectors cash. Can you believe they cost more than two Valkyries, which is more than just limited, it will be a milestone car ?
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 18th September 14:05
Big Ry said:
I can't see it ever really appreciating much value wise, why would it ? The whole "collectable" issue has got a bit out of hand I think. It used to be that old race cars with heritage were collectable, limited run classic cars that were actually usable (when new) were collectable etc. Now it just seems that people think absolutely anything that's not built in many numbers will automatically become collectable and worth untold fortunes in years to come (Porsche GT3 & 2 spring to mind)......I don't subscribe to that train of thought.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
Jon39 said:
I have a feeling that possibly the pair of cars for £7 million, might have been their peak of how to extract collectors cash. Can you believe they cost more than two Valkyries, which is more than just limited, it will be a milestone car ?
Big Ry said:
I can't see it ever really appreciating much value wise, why would it ? The whole "collectable" issue has got a bit out of hand I think. It used to be that old race cars with heritage were collectable, limited run classic cars that were actually usable (when new) were collectable etc. Now it just seems that people think absolutely anything that's not built in many numbers will automatically become collectable and worth untold fortunes in years to come (Porsche GT3 & 2 spring to mind)......I don't subscribe to that train of thought.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
I think that collectors cars as we know them may become extinct in the next 20 - 30 years if self driving cars start taking off. I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
The whole idea of people driving their own cars will probably eventually be legislated against - regardless of their power source. Drivers sharing road space with self driving cars probably won't last very long. Fossil fuels will become rarer and therefore be more difficult to get hold of and be wildly expensive. Insurance will become almost impossible to get and these old cars will be consigned to museums. The move to electric cars is just a change of power source. The move to self driving cars changes everything.
When the ball starts rolling I think it will gather momentum really quickly. Some people may want to take their cars to third world countries for driving holidays where they could enjoy them for a few more years. Those of us in our 50's and 60's are probably going to look back in 20 years time and regard ourselves as living in the golden years of motoring.
I really, really hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling about the long term future of motoring as we know it.
I want Someone tell me I am wrong and explain why.
johnymac said:
Big Ry said:
I can't see it ever really appreciating much value wise, why would it ? The whole "collectable" issue has got a bit out of hand I think. It used to be that old race cars with heritage were collectable, limited run classic cars that were actually usable (when new) were collectable etc. Now it just seems that people think absolutely anything that's not built in many numbers will automatically become collectable and worth untold fortunes in years to come (Porsche GT3 & 2 spring to mind)......I don't subscribe to that train of thought.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
I think that collectors cars as we know them may become extinct in the next 20 - 30 years if self driving cars start taking off. I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
The whole idea of people driving their own cars will probably eventually be legislated against - regardless of their power source. Drivers sharing road space with self driving cars probably won't last very long. Fossil fuels will become rarer and therefore be more difficult to get hold of and be wildly expensive. Insurance will become almost impossible to get and these old cars will be consigned to museums. The move to electric cars is just a change of power source. The move to self driving cars changes everything.
When the ball starts rolling I think it will gather momentum really quickly. Some people may want to take their cars to third world countries for driving holidays where they could enjoy them for a few more years. Those of us in our 50's and 60's are probably going to look back in 20 years time and regard ourselves as living in the golden years of motoring.
I really, really hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling about the long term future of motoring as we know it.
I want Someone tell me I am wrong and explain why.
Once the supply chain breaks down, the internal combustion engine will be relegated to museums and private collections. But with no petrol engine or spare parts or mechanics, what do you do with them?
Maybe some eccentric billionaire will buy a racetrack and an oil refinery, just for s
ts and giggles. Beyond that - where will you buy petrol?RobDown said:
Think of the timescale though. We’re talking decades here. Petrol cars aren’t going to be banned in the next 10 years
So go out and drive them while you can!
I doubt they will be banned.So go out and drive them while you can!
Have you tried to buy a black and white cathode ray TV recently? The supply chain is gone...
Is that really a fair comparison though John?
There are thousands and thousands of petrolheads (not sure there are the same enthusiasts for cathode Ray TVs). So the demand in the UK will still be there.
And petrol refining is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Wealthy Europeans might be able to afford to switch to electric or hydrogen vehicles, but developed countries can’t. So the need for petrol and diesel is going to be there long after I’m 6 feet under.
No for the UK I’d be more worried by a ban. And I’d be equally worried that as self driving cars improve some bright spark in Health&Safety will say ‘ban drivers, they’re causing all the accidents!”.
I’ve already told my son he needs to aim to buy a very large field and build a small track in it. Might be the only way he can drive my car when I’m gone
(Sorry going a bit off-topic).
There are thousands and thousands of petrolheads (not sure there are the same enthusiasts for cathode Ray TVs). So the demand in the UK will still be there.
And petrol refining is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Wealthy Europeans might be able to afford to switch to electric or hydrogen vehicles, but developed countries can’t. So the need for petrol and diesel is going to be there long after I’m 6 feet under.
No for the UK I’d be more worried by a ban. And I’d be equally worried that as self driving cars improve some bright spark in Health&Safety will say ‘ban drivers, they’re causing all the accidents!”.
I’ve already told my son he needs to aim to buy a very large field and build a small track in it. Might be the only way he can drive my car when I’m gone
(Sorry going a bit off-topic).
Big Ry said:
I can't see it ever really appreciating much value wise, why would it ? The whole "collectable" issue has got a bit out of hand I think. It used to be that old race cars with heritage were collectable, limited run classic cars that were actually usable (when new) were collectable etc. Now it just seems that people think absolutely anything that's not built in many numbers will automatically become collectable and worth untold fortunes in years to come (Porsche GT3 & 2 spring to mind)......I don't subscribe to that train of thought.
I can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
^^ thisI can see things like the One-77 being a very good long term gig as it was genuinely a limited run of a one off model, plus people can and do use them. Rehashing an existing model and claiming it's collectable doesn't work for me.
I clearly know feck all when it comes to this sort of stuff, but I can see a mighty correction in these "collectable" values in the not too distant future. We've discussed this before, but so many youngsters these days couldn't care less about this stuff, they're more interested in Uber than V12 engines. If the next generation aren't interested in it, then how do things hold their money, because the demand won't be there.
When you think about the whole supply of petrol its insanely inefficient; build a big old rig / drill, pump the crap out the ground, ship it to the refinery, refine it, ship it to the petrol stations and then sell it. Solar has become one of the most profitable energy sources in the last 2 years and for good reason. If we can charge our own cars from the sun, at home, for "free" then the infrastructure is there.
As well as a mass correction, I think they'll be some serious super car graveyards to follow. With some Macs (as an example) dropping into the 60's but service bills and parts being insane I just don't see where the market for them comes from?
raceboy said:
But how hard would it be to make it road legal seeing as there's a Vulcan pootling about with plates on.
Or would that detract from it's 'Collectable' status
^^ It'd be a giggle on the road thats for sure.Or would that detract from it's 'Collectable' status
RobDown said:
Is that really a fair comparison though John?
There are thousands and thousands of petrolheads (not sure there are the same enthusiasts for cathode Ray TVs). So the demand in the UK will still be there.
And petrol refining is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Wealthy Europeans might be able to afford to switch to electric or hydrogen vehicles, but developed countries can’t. So the need for petrol and diesel is going to be there long after I’m 6 feet under.
No for the UK I’d be more worried by a ban. And I’d be equally worried that as self driving cars improve some bright spark in Health&Safety will say ‘ban drivers, they’re causing all the accidents!”.
I’ve already told my son he needs to aim to buy a very large field and build a small track in it. Might be the only way he can drive my car when I’m gone
(Sorry going a bit off-topic).
Hi Rob,There are thousands and thousands of petrolheads (not sure there are the same enthusiasts for cathode Ray TVs). So the demand in the UK will still be there.
And petrol refining is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Wealthy Europeans might be able to afford to switch to electric or hydrogen vehicles, but developed countries can’t. So the need for petrol and diesel is going to be there long after I’m 6 feet under.
No for the UK I’d be more worried by a ban. And I’d be equally worried that as self driving cars improve some bright spark in Health&Safety will say ‘ban drivers, they’re causing all the accidents!”.
I’ve already told my son he needs to aim to buy a very large field and build a small track in it. Might be the only way he can drive my car when I’m gone
(Sorry going a bit off-topic).
I think we are all pretty much agreed about the long term future of motoring. Yes, refining will continue for the foreseeable future and we can all enjoy our cars for the next decade or so. I was just thinking about classic / special cars as investments - these will no longer be viable in 20 - 30 years. I reckon they may have another 10 years or so, but that is all. At some point, some people are going to get caught out holding expensive but worthless assets. As the move toward electrification speeds up, so will the move towards self driving cars, particularly in the developed world. People wanting to drive their own cars will find it increasingly difficult to do so. I am 64 but have a friend who is 30 and a strong petrol head. He can just afford a 15 year old Porsche Boxter which he loves and thoroughly enjoys, but he won't still be driving himself when he is 64 (unless we can start up a car drivers lobby with the strength of the American Rifle Association)
So as others have said. Let's enjoy our cars while we can.
We might be the last full generation to do so!
Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff