Politically Motivated Rape
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poo at Paul's

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14,558 posts

199 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-candi...


Thoughts on this?

Far Right rapists just getting away with it? Difficult to put oneself into the position of being a rape victim, but would you really not report it, especially if there was a Far Right element to the rapist's motivation?

Sits ill with me this story.



Zetec-S

6,681 posts

117 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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There's lots of reasons why women don't report a genuine rape, so I don't want to really open that particular box. If that's what happened to her then I wish her all the best and hope she can move on with her life.

However, what I do take more of an issue with is her claim that it was "politically motivated", yet offer no evidence or explanation as to why she thinks that was the case. It smacks a little of her turning a horrific act against her into a political weapon to use, and because of the nature of the act, no-one can dare speak out or question it for fear of getting lynched by the masses.

Sadly there are people out there who are quite prepared to spike some ones drink. She's quite an attractive woman, so it's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility that it was just some scumbag who wanted to get what they want, rather than some right-wing plot to "teach her a lesson" or whatever.

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,558 posts

199 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Zetec-S said:
There's lots of reasons why women don't report a genuine rape, so I don't want to really open that particular box. If that's what happened to her then I wish her all the best and hope she can move on with her life.

However, what I do take more of an issue with is her claim that it was "politically motivated", yet offer no evidence or explanation as to why she thinks that was the case. It smacks a little of her turning a horrific act against her into a political weapon to use, and because of the nature of the act, no-one can dare speak out or question it for fear of getting lynched by the masses.

Sadly there are people out there who are quite prepared to spike some ones drink. She's quite an attractive woman, so it's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility that it was just some scumbag who wanted to get what they want, rather than some right-wing plot to "teach her a lesson" or whatever.
My thinking too. Although ref your comment in your first paragraph, does this story help her "get on with her life"?
The way the story is written seems odd too, almost glossing over the serious matter of the rape, to talk about online abuse.

The whole thing reads a bit odd I think. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the media react to this, whether it will disappear into the mire, (story wise) or whether she will be on Good Morning etc soon.

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,078 posts

193 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Will there be a police investigation into this?

superlightr

12,920 posts

287 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Zetec-S said:
There's lots of reasons why women don't report a genuine rape, so I don't want to really open that particular box. If that's what happened to her then I wish her all the best and hope she can move on with her life.

However, what I do take more of an issue with is her claim that it was "politically motivated", yet offer no evidence or explanation as to why she thinks that was the case. It smacks a little of her turning a horrific act against her into a political weapon to use, and because of the nature of the act, no-one can dare speak out or question it for fear of getting lynched by the masses.

Sadly there are people out there who are quite prepared to spike some ones drink. She's quite an attractive woman, so it's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility that it was just some scumbag who wanted to get what they want, rather than some right-wing plot to "teach her a lesson" or whatever.
Agree.

I think it would have been perhaps despite her political beliefs rather then because of them but more likely I would guess is not even a consideration by the offender.

Does appear strange she is linking the crime without any narrative as to why she thinks its political. Politicians do though have a habit of saying stuff based upon dubious thoughts and what may gain them votes.
Also Appears to want to say that the toxicity of the current political climate makes non labour supporters more likely to rape labour supporters. Again a dubious thought process I would suggest aimed at getting political sympathy but sadly detracts from the original crime which she confirms she did not report. Hence using the timing now for her own political perceived gain it would suggest.

Joedarkness

105 posts

158 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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There is not any details it's needs reported to the police .. Not trial by media .. it's strange how it's framed in the article

All this needs to be verified - if you want to see the affect of trial by media and Me Too .. just look at Zoey Quinn and Alec Holowka

And it looks like Zoey Quinn was lying her ass off

jshell

11,982 posts

229 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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I'm not saying she wasn't, but there's something fishy about this story... To turn such a personal issue into a political one seems a little 'off' to me.

Pesty

42,655 posts

280 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Lena Durham claimed she was raped in college by a right winger

Turned out it was her Democrat boyfriend and she wasn’t raped.

There are a lot of guys recently from Israel who know first hand how women don’t always tell the truth

S1KRR

12,548 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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As above, it's sadly quite possible she was attacked in the UK.

But to assume a "far right" smells like BS to me!

Much like Owen Jones falling over when drunk blaming a "military style far right attack" did

I don't need to dissect her quote too hard

labour candidate said:
For the first time in our history, we have a prime minister whom the far right regard as their leader.
rolleyes

I appreciate Boris isn't universally popular. But he's as far from far right as its possible to get without being a Lefty. He's a social liberal if anything. And conservative in his financial sense. To call him far right is just the usual bks. He's not Nick Griffin is he! He's not out there chanting about white power! The left lose any semblance of balance when they go down this route that "everyone I don't like is Hitler"

poo at Paul's

Original Poster:

14,558 posts

199 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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She says in the article that she has forgiven her rapist?

But not reported it?

As a public figure, looking for election, does she not think that the rest of us deserve to be protected from the potential rapist, whoever he or she is?

Very odd article.

Leicester Loyal

4,966 posts

146 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Will there be a police investigation into this?
I hope so, as it would prove she's lying about the whole thing or lying about it being politically motivated. Raped because she is a Labour candidate, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and insults men and women who are actual victims of rape.

Cantaloupe

1,056 posts

84 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Leicester Loyal said:
I hope so, as it would prove she's lying about the whole thing or lying about it being politically motivated. Raped because she is a Labour candidate, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and insults men and women who are actual victims of rape.
You seem fairly certain she's a liar, why couldn't it be possible she was raped because of her politics ?

Jo Cox was killed because of her politics.

S1KRR

12,548 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
You seem fairly certain she's a liar, why couldn't it be possible she was raped because of her politics ?

Jo Cox was killed because of her politics.
Indeed. And her murderer made several political statements before, during and afterwards.

So far the Labour MP hasn't said the rapist made any comment on her allegiances. confused Very similar to Owen Jones drunken fall, his alleged "assailants" also made no comments, yet he can determine they were "far right!

Leicester Loyal

4,966 posts

146 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
You seem fairly certain she's a liar, why couldn't it be possible she was raped because of her politics ?

Jo Cox was killed because of her politics.
Because it's an easy line to throw out isn't it? Much like the Owen Jones one from a few weeks ago. If I say I was stabbed by a far left activist last year but didn't report it it doesn't make it true. She's come out with this statement and then refused to take it any further, which says to me it's being used purely for political purposes.

JagLover

46,235 posts

259 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
You seem fairly certain she's a liar, why couldn't it be possible she was raped because of her politics ?

Jo Cox was killed because of her politics.
Spiking, when it takes place and is not just women underestimating the effects of alcohol, usually means it would be someone known to her. I would suggest the chances of a Labour activist going drinking with someone chanting Seig Heil are fairly low and similarly if they were expressing extreme right wing opinions such as the need for border controls or that criminals should be locked up.

Jasandjules

72,038 posts

253 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Upon what basis does she suggest this is a "Political" matter? I hope she has firm proof.

jshell

11,982 posts

229 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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Pesty said:
There are a lot of guys recently from Israel who know first hand how women don’t always tell the truth
I'm not sure about that one, could have gone either way.

Gameface

16,565 posts

101 months

Tuesday 17th September 2019
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She doesn't want it investigated but she wants the exposure, the sympathy and political brownie points.


anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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There needs to be a police investigation into this as no one should be allowed to get away with rape.

If she doesn't want to report it for herself then she needs to think about protecting other women out there to protect them so they do not have to endure the same horrific crime.

However, if there is an investigation and she has been making this up she needs to be charged and jailed.

Hopefully, this story is factful but something seems to not add up.