Is breaking the law justified to enable Brexit?

[oyster]

Another Brexit thread - woohoo

The Government remains very tight-lipped about whether it will follow rule of law and request a Brexit extension if either there has failed to be a deal ratified by Parliament or if Parliament agrees to No-Deal.

The fact there is even discussion about whether Boris would break the law on October 31st is news in itself.

Is there any situation in which it’s ok to break the law to enable Brexit

[s2art]

Maybe if a threat to national security would ensue if Brexit wasnt carried out. .

[PositronicRay]

One of the biggest changes the UK has been through in recent times, carried out illegaly? I can't see that going well.

What next guy fawkes.

[bitchstewie]

Over a quarter of people think it's OK so far

Three years of bleating about "taking control of our laws" counts for nothing apparently.

[Not-The-Messiah]

I voted no, but the law also shouldn't be twisted by the legal system and MPs to stop Brexit also. The main argument seems to be that the PM lied to get to a position of control.

But I don't see the same people bring up the fact that most MPs stood on a platform of accepting and implementing brexit. That as now clearly been shown to be a lie by many MPs, where are all the legal cases hearing how MPs have mislead the people to get what they want?

[tangerine_sedge]

Allow Boris to break the law to force through Brexit, get Corbyn breaking the law to seize all your assets.

[amgmcqueen]

bhstewie said:

Over a quarter of people think it's OK so far

Three years of bleating about "taking control of our laws" counts for nothing apparently.

Fight treason with treason?

[anonymous-user]

Under May, we would have been a colony of the EU, with no voting power. Johnson is getting st done, the majority voted to leave, not some halfway house proposal, and maybe laws are bent to acheive this, but the end result is we leave either with a deal or not.

[grumbledoak]

What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

[valiant]

Thesprucegoose said:

Under May, we would have been a colony of the EU, with no voting power. Johnson is getting st done, the majority voted to leave, not some halfway house proposal, and maybe laws are bent to acheive this, but the end result is we leave either with a deal or not.

Bending a law or breaking a law?

[tangerine_sedge]

Thesprucegoose said:

Under May, we would have been a colony of the EU, with no voting power. Johnson is getting st done, the majority voted to leave, not some halfway house proposal, and maybe laws are bent to acheive this, but the end result is we leave either with a deal or not.

The only thing Johnson is going to achieve is ditch selection.

[anonymous-user]

valiant said:

Bending a law or breaking a law?

I don't think any laws have or will be. Too much effort spent on it the country needs to stick to a date.

[valiant]

Thesprucegoose said:

valiant said:

Bending a law or breaking a law?

I don't think any laws have or will be. Too much effort spent on it the country needs to stick to a date.

But the poll is would you support a breaking of the law to get Brexit through. Bending or interpreting the law is one thing but actually breaking it?

[Electro1980]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I voted no, but the law also shouldn't be twisted by the legal system and MPs to stop Brexit also. The main argument seems to be that the PM lied to get to a position of control.

But I don't see the same people bring up the fact that most MPs stood on a platform of accepting and implementing brexit. That as now clearly been shown to be a lie by many MPs, where are all the legal cases hearing how MPs have mislead the people to get what they want?

You, or anyone else, is welcome to bring a private prosecution, just as people have against the government. The fact that people haven’t says all we need to know.

It’s amazing how much leavers moan about rule of law, sovereignty of parliament and democracy but only want it to suit their own definition and get upset when reality hits. Moaning snowflakes...

[C4ME]

oyster said:

Another Brexit thread - woohoo

The Government remains very tight-lipped about whether it will follow rule of law and request a Brexit extension if either there has failed to be a deal ratified by Parliament or if Parliament agrees to No-Deal.

The fact there is even discussion about whether Boris would break the law on October 31st is news in itself.

Is there any situation in which it’s ok to break the law to enable Brexit

The government, individual ministers, PM etc have all been 100% clear that they will not break any UK law every single time they have been asked.

Those continually pushing the "government will break the law" angle are pursuing a political agenda to paint Boris as untrustworthy.

Edited by C4ME on Tuesday 17th September 18:44

[anonymous-user]

valiant said:

But the poll is would you support a breaking of the law to get Brexit through. Bending or interpreting the law is one thing but actually breaking it?

As someone else posted no laws have or will be broken it is just another scaremongering thread for the mouth frothers to froth at.

[bitchstewie]

C4ME said:

The government, individual ministers, PM etc have all been 100% clear that they will not break any UK law every single time they have been asked.

Those continually pushing the "government will break the law" angle are pursuing an agenda to paint Boris as untrustworthy.

Most of what I've heard has been very much along the lines of "Well let's just see" rather than a clear unequivocal "The Government will obey the law".

Straight out of Kwasi Kwarteng's "Well I'm not saying that but I've heard people who have said it" school of media coaching.

[Biker 1]

I don't think Boris will break the law. However, I'm sure that he, JRM, Cummings, Raab et al, have a trump card hidden away somewhere. They have a game plan & will almost certainly find a loophole or some other way of making Brexit happen on 31st October. Some will see this as essentially the same as actually breaking the law.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Electro1980 said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

I voted no, but the law also shouldn't be twisted by the legal system and MPs to stop Brexit also. The main argument seems to be that the PM lied to get to a position of control.

But I don't see the same people bring up the fact that most MPs stood on a platform of accepting and implementing brexit. That as now clearly been shown to be a lie by many MPs, where are all the legal cases hearing how MPs have mislead the people to get what they want?

You, or anyone else, is welcome to bring a private prosecution, just as people have against the government. The fact that people haven’t says all we need to know.

It’s amazing how much leavers moan about rule of law, sovereignty of parliament and democracy but only want it to suit their own definition and get upset when reality hits. Moaning snowflakes...

Sadly I don't have the tens of thousands of pounds to through at it, but it would seem I would have just as much evidence of MPs lying to the people than Gina Miller as on Boris lying to the queen.

The chances are the legal system would just tell me to do one anyway exactly what they should do with this case and most courts have done apart from the scottish one I wonder way?

[C4ME]

bhstewie said:

C4ME said:

The government, individual ministers, PM etc have all been 100% clear that they will not break any UK law every single time they have been asked.

Those continually pushing the "government will break the law" angle are pursuing an agenda to paint Boris as untrustworthy.

Most of what I've heard has been very much along the lines of "Well let's just see" rather than a clear unequivocal "The Government will obey the law".

Straight out of Kwasi Kwarteng's "Well I'm not saying that but I've heard people who have said it" school of media coaching.

I has been stated unequivocally a number of times. Savid Javid on Andrew Marr show Sept 8 for example.

The "well let's see" tends to be when asked how can you leave 31st and not break the law.

Edited by C4ME on Tuesday 17th September 19:07