Black dial Daytona: chances of getting one / alternatives?
Discussion
In brief:
Friend is looking for a black dial cosmograph Daytona with oyster bracelet. Think the reference is 116500.
He is ok with the list price (just over £10.5k locally) but naively thought it would be the kind of thing he could walk into a shop and buy. Local AD (obviously) says no chance and waiting list is closed.
Just wondering what the chances of securing one of these would be and how much is the going rate? Can be sourced globally as long as genuine and from a reputable source.
Assuming we’re talking a hefty markup which puts it above what he’s willing to pay, what alternatives would there be? Assume sticking to Rolex for now and any s/h purchase would need to be absolutely mint.
Friend is looking for a black dial cosmograph Daytona with oyster bracelet. Think the reference is 116500.
He is ok with the list price (just over £10.5k locally) but naively thought it would be the kind of thing he could walk into a shop and buy. Local AD (obviously) says no chance and waiting list is closed.
Just wondering what the chances of securing one of these would be and how much is the going rate? Can be sourced globally as long as genuine and from a reputable source.
Assuming we’re talking a hefty markup which puts it above what he’s willing to pay, what alternatives would there be? Assume sticking to Rolex for now and any s/h purchase would need to be absolutely mint.
He’s now thinking birth year might work as having more intrinsic value than a new(er) sub.
How much would a 1970 sub fetch? I imagine a vintage Daytona would require a nice sit down on being told the price.
For other suggestions, basically something that looks like and has the same connotations as the black dial Daytona. I suggested something like a heuer Autavia or other vintage heuer but they’re not his bag.
How much would a 1970 sub fetch? I imagine a vintage Daytona would require a nice sit down on being told the price.
For other suggestions, basically something that looks like and has the same connotations as the black dial Daytona. I suggested something like a heuer Autavia or other vintage heuer but they’re not his bag.
Zenith El Primero:
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/zenith/el-primero-chron...
Zenith used to make the movements for the early Daytonas:
https://www.hackettwatches.com/hw/items/JPRYB8FMRX
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/zenith/el-primero-chron...
Zenith used to make the movements for the early Daytonas:
https://www.hackettwatches.com/hw/items/JPRYB8FMRX
shirt said:
Ok that’s out then.
Alternatives? I can only suggest something like a black dial ceramic sub.
Which is also hard to track down new.Alternatives? I can only suggest something like a black dial ceramic sub.
Does he want a chronograph or "a Rolex"?
I would suggest a Speedmaster Dark Side of the Moon would be worth considering as an alternative to a black dial Daytona
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/watches/speedma...
And the new Seamaster 300m is a good alternative to a Sub at about half the price. Even better you can walk into a shop today and buy one, no messing about with waiting list nonsense...
ETA Ignore the above, just noticed this from the first post...
shirt said:
Assume sticking to Rolex for now
If your mate want a stainless steel Rolex without messing around with waiting lists or paying a premium for a second hand one then it's a Date Just or Oyster Professional I think...But a £10k budget for a watch opens up a whole host of interesting possibilities - almost certainly worth considering other brands
Edited by funinhounslow on Wednesday 18th September 09:01
Edited by funinhounslow on Wednesday 18th September 09:06
For around £10k he could get a Rolex Submariner and an Omega Speedmaster. Whilst submariners are still wait list, if he would buy the Speedmaster at the same time I bet there is a dealer that would do a bundle deal. That would cover the bases of having a Rolex and having a black dial chronograph!
Tudor Black Bay Chrono? - A lovely thing - I'd be tempted myself.
https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
sealtt said:
For around £10k he could get a Rolex Submariner and an Omega Speedmaster. Whilst submariners are still wait list, if he would buy the Speedmaster at the same time I bet there is a dealer that would do a bundle deal.
^ This is really excellent advice. Alternatively get a Steinhart Vintage Red and a Bulova Lunar Pilot for about £750 all in:
(Yeah, I know he wants a Rolex, just a bit of fun there)
shirt said:
Just wondering what the chances of securing one of these would be and how much is the going rate? Can be sourced globally as long as genuine and from a reputable source.
You can have one on your wrist tomorrow or even today if you pop to a WF shop, no need to source globally as they are in full supply in the UK grey market you just have to pay the price. [quote=sealtt]For around £10k he could get a Rolex Submariner and an Omega Speedmaster. Whilst submariners are still wait list, if he would buy the Speedmaster at the same time I bet there is a dealer that would do a bundle deal. That would cover the bases of having a Rolex and having a black dial chronograph!
Great advice, he could also consider the Black Bay Chrono instead of the Speedmaster if he wanted to show more loyalty to Rolex.
Either way, a Speedmaster/Black Bay Chrono and a Sub will offer much better value than a grey market Daytona, which is his only realistic option for that watch.
Great advice, he could also consider the Black Bay Chrono instead of the Speedmaster if he wanted to show more loyalty to Rolex.
Either way, a Speedmaster/Black Bay Chrono and a Sub will offer much better value than a grey market Daytona, which is his only realistic option for that watch.
I’m not sure “better value” is a term that can be used here. We are talking luxury watches, and nobody really needs them.
The OP’s ‘friend’ needs to visit some shops, try on some watches, see which look great on their wrist, and which look silly. And then make a judgement based on experience and knowledge, not one based on endless suggestions from us lot.
Is there a reason this friend would rather have Rolex?
The OP’s ‘friend’ needs to visit some shops, try on some watches, see which look great on their wrist, and which look silly. And then make a judgement based on experience and knowledge, not one based on endless suggestions from us lot.
Is there a reason this friend would rather have Rolex?
WelshChris said:
Tudor Black Bay Chrono? - A lovely thing - I'd be tempted myself.
https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
Mmmm I likely https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
shirt said:
He’s now thinking birth year might work as having more intrinsic value than a new(er) sub.
How much would a 1970 sub fetch? I imagine a vintage Daytona would require a nice sit down on being told the price.
For other suggestions, basically something that looks like and has the same connotations as the black dial Daytona. I suggested something like a heuer Autavia or other vintage heuer but they’re not his bag.
I recon you might find a 70 sub for £10k in the US, but would expect a really nice one from a dealer is going to be £15k+.How much would a 1970 sub fetch? I imagine a vintage Daytona would require a nice sit down on being told the price.
For other suggestions, basically something that looks like and has the same connotations as the black dial Daytona. I suggested something like a heuer Autavia or other vintage heuer but they’re not his bag.
70 Daytona is going to be £50k+
I recon he might get an AP Royal Oak City of Sails for £10k ish.
GP Laureato are very nice chronographs, similar in style to the Daytona.
Piaget Polo S
Bulgari Octo are seriously good watches, one has a tachy bezel.
Tony1963 said:
I’m not sure “better value” is a term that can be used here. We are talking luxury watches, and nobody really needs them.
The OP’s ‘friend’ needs to visit some shops, try on some watches, see which look great on their wrist, and which look silly. And then make a judgement based on experience and knowledge, not one based on endless suggestions from us lot.
Is there a reason this friend would rather have Rolex?
i assure you the 'friend' is not me. i've yet to do the splurge watch thing, but if i were to do so it'd be either a monza or autavia reissue. The OP’s ‘friend’ needs to visit some shops, try on some watches, see which look great on their wrist, and which look silly. And then make a judgement based on experience and knowledge, not one based on endless suggestions from us lot.
Is there a reason this friend would rather have Rolex?
if i was oblique its because its a friend wanting to buy as a significant gift for their OH. hence the brand and model is something they've attached a significance to. they went to the AD here and were rather dismayed with the inevitable [yet polite] news that it just wasn't going to happen. my telling this person the reality of obtaining this watch was the equivalent of me pissing on their chips.
hence suggesting alternatives is rather difficult given that all options now look like second best, and trying on isn't an option.
some nice watches posted, thanks for those. i'm going to suggest either a birth year or current MY black face sub.
hilly10 said:
WelshChris said:
Tudor Black Bay Chrono? - A lovely thing - I'd be tempted myself.
https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
Mmmm I likely https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay-chron...
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