Do you think Brexit will change what we eat?
Discussion
Forget shortages think trade tariffs & obstinacy between countries, will our supermarket (or the common man’s if you’re a PH director type) basket change.
The lamb neck post & the fact I just had a fantastic mutton curry, made me think lamb/mutton seems a bit under-rated in the uk and what will happen if we no longer export all that lamb to France? Will we eat more lamb as a nation?
A lot of the cheap & cheerful food chicken/pork comes from Germany/Netherlands/Denmark.
French seem to eat up most of our Scottish Langustines too, will we suddenly find these hitting our shelves.
Cheese, will we stop importing French & Dutch cheeses & switch to cheddar wendsleydale etc.
Wine, will we move to more Africa/New Zealand/USA (I’m currently hammering a bottle of Indian Sula Dindori Reserve which is bloody good)
Will me move more to seasonal product (or the seasons of those we source outside Europe)
Just got me thinking
The lamb neck post & the fact I just had a fantastic mutton curry, made me think lamb/mutton seems a bit under-rated in the uk and what will happen if we no longer export all that lamb to France? Will we eat more lamb as a nation?
A lot of the cheap & cheerful food chicken/pork comes from Germany/Netherlands/Denmark.
French seem to eat up most of our Scottish Langustines too, will we suddenly find these hitting our shelves.
Cheese, will we stop importing French & Dutch cheeses & switch to cheddar wendsleydale etc.
Wine, will we move to more Africa/New Zealand/USA (I’m currently hammering a bottle of Indian Sula Dindori Reserve which is bloody good)
Will me move more to seasonal product (or the seasons of those we source outside Europe)
Just got me thinking
I'd be interested in the "foodie" answer to this too so I'm guilty of risking turning it into a political thread, but I have to say that I can't believe this question has to be seriously (that's no offence to the OP in asking it as it's a fair question) asked in the United Kingdom in 2019 because of a political decision.
The risk of the “foodie” answer is they may already drink English Wine & uk Artisan cheeses with rare breed pork sausages so “unaffected”
I’m actually hopeful it goes a bit like the French say
“les Uk is a huge market for our cheese & wine & we want to keep eating their lamb & langustines EU we must do a deal for that”
I’m actually hopeful it goes a bit like the French say
“les Uk is a huge market for our cheese & wine & we want to keep eating their lamb & langustines EU we must do a deal for that”
grumbledoak said:
The EU did not invent cross channel trade.
Whilst this is true economic areas do control what comes in & out using tariffs & quotas (food works same way as people, Brexit May allow the Uk to decide how many come in & what rate “outsiders” have to be paid)the French for example may still be able to buy Uk lamb but tarrifs would prob make it about A few £/kilo more expensive than it is currently. (Which May mean they buy less & produce a surplus in UK), In a tit for tat approach the uk would likely have tariffs on chicken coming in, pushing up the price in our supermarkets. Chicken goes up in price lamb goes down to uk consumer
AndyAudi said:
Whilst this is true economic areas do control what comes in & out using tariffs & quotas (food works same way as people, Brexit May allow the Uk to decide how many come in & what rate “outsiders” have to be paid)
the French for example may still be able to buy Uk lamb but tarrifs would prob make it about A few £/kilo more expensive than it is currently. (Which May mean they buy less & produce a surplus in UK), In a tit for tat approach the uk would likely have tariffs on chicken coming in, pushing up the price in our supermarkets. Chicken goes up in price lamb goes down to uk consumer
The EU is protectionist, but we like free trade. Unless Boris exhumes May's fthe French for example may still be able to buy Uk lamb but tarrifs would prob make it about A few £/kilo more expensive than it is currently. (Which May mean they buy less & produce a surplus in UK), In a tit for tat approach the uk would likely have tariffs on chicken coming in, pushing up the price in our supermarkets. Chicken goes up in price lamb goes down to uk consumer
king Awful Deal (TM) I think we'll accept WTO in the short term. That will change tariffs and prices a little, but I'm not sure of the details.I imagine life will continue much as before though.
grumbledoak said:
I imagine life will continue much as before though.
If we go straight to WTO with little or no other measures then prices will rise for many products. Food and agriculture is one of the more heavily tariffed sectors under World Trade Organisation rules. Agriculture has traditionally been one of the sticking points of many trade deals in the past, and the EU is a very protectionist organisation. It would take a lot of work to pass any trade deal involving agriculture which allows us to use technology and methods not allowed within the EU itself (eg GM).
Blib said:
Remember the Millennium Bug? When aircraft fell from the sky, every single computer tripped out and the nation's power grid collapsed?
That.
Maybe. I can't help thinking that even if we went to WTO rules a blind eye would be turned to a lot of things to start with. Not least because any government system to collect tariffs and monitor imports and exports is going to be wholly inadequate, but also because when something vital starts running short the masses will be up in arms. That.
Blib said:
Remember the Millennium Bug? When aircraft fell from the sky, every single computer tripped out and the nation's power grid collapsed?
That.
Front of house it HAD to work and did, but round the back things were sometimes a bit messier.....That.
I take your point though, if there are eager buyers and willing sellers then trade will happen either overtly or covertly.
Long term I doubt it will change much but in the short term I am mentally preparing a few contingencies. Its not so long ago we had a massive disruption to salad from Spain, courgettes were literally like gold dust at £18 a kilo etc
In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
21TonyK said:
Long term I doubt it will change much but in the short term I am mentally preparing a few contingencies. Its not so long ago we had a massive disruption to salad from Spain, courgettes were literally like gold dust at £18 a kilo etc
In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
doesnt Turkey come from Norfolk?In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
VAGLover said:
21TonyK said:
Long term I doubt it will change much but in the short term I am mentally preparing a few contingencies. Its not so long ago we had a massive disruption to salad from Spain, courgettes were literally like gold dust at £18 a kilo etc
In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
doesnt Turkey come from Norfolk?In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
21TonyK said:
VAGLover said:
21TonyK said:
Long term I doubt it will change much but in the short term I am mentally preparing a few contingencies. Its not so long ago we had a massive disruption to salad from Spain, courgettes were literally like gold dust at £18 a kilo etc
In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
doesnt Turkey come from Norfolk?In the end suppliers sourced from elsewhere and things normalised again.
My big concern is Turkey in the run up to Xmas most of which seems to come from Poland.
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