Aston Martin borrows £120m at 12-15% interest rates.
Aston Martin borrows £120m at 12-15% interest rates.
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hyphen

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114 months

swisstoni

22,725 posts

303 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Need to get an SUV (preferably with ‘green credentials’) out there ASAP.
Why they haven’t when every man and his dog already have is bad management IMHO.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

210 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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eek

That's some interest rate!

maz8062

3,805 posts

239 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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S&P rating down to CCC from B-

AAA is good - CCC is "speculative, currently vulnerable"

Miserablegit

4,406 posts

133 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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From article :“Aston Martin said it needed the funds to carry out a plan to produce seven new models in as many years. The carmaker will also use the money to pay off short-term debts and cover transaction costs.”
Really?? £120m to carry out a plan to produce seven new models???
Might be less damaging to their rep if they said they were blowing it on drugs and hookers because £120m isn’t going to do much else in the car industry

JuniorD

9,013 posts

247 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Miserablegit said:
From article :“Aston Martin said it needed the funds to carry out a plan to produce seven new models in as many years. The carmaker will also use the money to pay off short-term debts and cover transaction costs.”
Really?? £120m to carry out a plan to produce seven new models???
Might be less damaging to their rep if they said they were blowing it on drugs and hookers because £120m isn’t going to do much else in the car industry
£120M could do it - you have to understand Aston Martin's idea of "new model" isn't the same as a regular car manufacturer hehe

Wills2

28,341 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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You have to question whether they can succeed as a standalone business in today's market, the development costs are eye watering in the auto industry, in the same way RR and Bentley wouldn't be around if it wasn't for BMW and VW.






hyphen

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Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Don't they have some parts/engine buying deal with Mercedes?

Krikkit

27,853 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Wills2 said:
You have to question whether they can succeed as a standalone business in today's market, the development costs are eye watering in the auto industry, in the same way RR and Bentley wouldn't be around if it wasn't for BMW and VW.
If they can get the DBX sorted and to market then they should be on a much better footing. Effectively they've gambled the show on getting it finished and out there, if they can't do it soon they're gone.

Cold

16,463 posts

114 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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hyphen said:
Don't they have some parts/engine buying deal with Mercedes?
Daimler owns a 5% share and part of that deal was the supply of engines and electronic gubbins.

Miserablegit

4,406 posts

133 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Well I hope they do it - feel sorry for the employees who got swept up in the float and stand to lose the most in this if it folds.

Venturist

3,472 posts

219 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Really hope to see an Aston Martin utterly resurgent 12-24 months from now, but they have absolutely bet the farm on DBX. I hope it does everything they want it to or it’s game over.

Otispunkmeyer

13,609 posts

179 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Miserablegit said:
Well I hope they do it - feel sorry for the employees who got swept up in the float and stand to lose the most in this if it folds.
They floated at 1700p, today its below 600!

Probably overvalued at the start, but still.

poo at Paul's

14,558 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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I know a couple of lads that worked there, one still does but only as a contractor, the perm guy moved on in New Year. Writing has been well and truly on the wall according to both of them. Some lad was bragging couple of weeks back about how the contractors will be out end of next month, and how he will be ok as he is a perm, managers didn't like it, so they got rid of him for being a gobshyte!

D'oh!

Sadly, rightly or wrongly, they are just not on the same radar of consumers, so few people nowadays aspire to own an Aston, great cars, but as a brand, not in the Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari league by any stretch of the "imagine". (SWIDT!)

Caddyshack

14,223 posts

230 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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If any car manufacturer wanted to borrow money from me it would be at 12%+

If they need to borrow then there is a high risk, same if a developer came to me...if you ain’t got the money yourself and you are one of the "rich developers" then it’s gonna cost you. It’s not like Aston have not for form.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Venturist said:
Really hope to see an Aston Martin utterly resurgent 12-24 months from now, but they have absolutely bet the farm on DBX. I hope it does everything they want it to or it’s game over.
Look how successful the Urus has been from Lamborghini. But then, they did have the financial and parts bin backing of Audi so it was easy money to make.

I can see the DBX being Astons best seller (much as I don't agree with it) but it has to be profitable and relatively cheap to make.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

152 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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They have some short term liquidity problems, they got ripped off a while back by a Hong Kong business I seem to recall. They have some good cars coming up, the DBX and the mid engined ones, they just have to get to there.

I'm sure the Vantage being divisive looks wise has not helped sales. Perhaps a good punt on shares for someone who likes a gamble.

You could argue Mercedes might buy them out to compete with VAG as an alternative.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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How bad is your short term debt rates that a 15% consolidation loan is the good option?

Did they borrow it from the guy at the bookies?

JxJ Jr.

652 posts

94 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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"“This is intended to substantially and materially banish any thoughts that somehow we don’t have the money to get to DBX,” Andy Palmer, chief executive, said on Wednesday" - Bizarre.

Gandahar said:
They have some short term liquidity problems, they got ripped off a while back by a Hong Kong business I seem to recall
They didn't get ripped off, just like their investors didn't get ripped off in the IPO, they made a bad judgement in extending credit to Detroit Electric.

basherX

2,941 posts

185 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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The name’s Bond. Stupidly Expensive Bond.

I really can’t see how they sustain borrowing at that price, no matter how good the 007 franchise is.