(Another) fatal dog attack
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scenario8

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7,691 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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See here;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4...

Obviously I am not a witness and have only that article as evidence but must say there’s no way I would have dogs like those in my life. I appreciate it’s a complex subject matter and I’m open to cries of hypocrite having had potentially dangerous dogs in my life before (Retrievers) but look at the size and weight of those beasts. I imagine it would take wild horses to stop one if it “lost its mind” for a moment. An attack by the two must have been horrific.

What a tragedy.

grumbledoak

32,416 posts

257 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Own dogs? Limited sympathy. It was only a matter of time before they killed a kid and she was all over the papers making that sad face and saying “They’ve never done that before”.

Initforthemoney

743 posts

168 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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scenario8 said:
See here;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4...

Obviously I am not a witness and have only that article as evidence but must say there’s no way I would have dogs like those in my life. I appreciate it’s a complex subject matter and I’m open to cries of hypocrite having had potentially dangerous dogs in my life before (Retrievers) but look at the size and weight of those beasts. I imagine it would take wild horses to stop one if it “lost its mind” for a moment. An attack by the two must have been horrific.

What a tragedy.
Retrievers are not what I would call a dangerous dog.

-crookedtail-

1,587 posts

214 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Aggressive dogs aren't born that way though, even these big American Bulldog type of things. Like people, they are a product of their environment and need a decent social upbringing/interaction to give a nice temperament. It is probably crass on me to say but I just knew it would be a 'rough estate' type of setup in this case without even reading the article.

I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback, another big breed that could go astray without proper training from puppy age, fortunately he is a big softy but it was hard work initially.

Either way, this doesn't take away from the fact that this is just a horrible way to die for the poor woman.

Cantaloupe

1,056 posts

84 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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-crookedtail- said:
I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback, another big breed that could go astray without proper training from puppy age, fortunately he is a big softy but it was hard work initially. .
I am never surprised how much dog owners imbue their canine charges with human personalities, traits and characteristics,
so, you don't think it possible that dogs can lose their tempers, go postal and, with other dogs in the household,
engage in unthinking violence ?

No matter how tame or domesticated, I think all dogs have the potential to harm humans, with or without provocation .

foxbody-87

2,675 posts

190 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
I am never surprised how much dog owners imbue their canine charges with human personalities, traits and characteristics,
so, you don't think it possible that dogs can lose their tempers, go postal and, with other dogs in the household,
engage in unthinking violence ?

No matter how tame or domesticated, I think all dogs have the potential to harm humans, with or without provocation .
My dog is a friendly, playful little chap, but if I have visitors round with children then I don’t want the kids out of sight with the dog. Kids like to play with animals and it would only take a nip to put a scar on a child’s face.

poo at Paul's

14,558 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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foxbody-87 said:
Cantaloupe said:
I am never surprised how much dog owners imbue their canine charges with human personalities, traits and characteristics,
so, you don't think it possible that dogs can lose their tempers, go postal and, with other dogs in the household,
engage in unthinking violence ?

No matter how tame or domesticated, I think all dogs have the potential to harm humans, with or without provocation .
My dog is a friendly, playful little chap, but if I have visitors round with children then I don’t want the kids out of sight with the dog. Kids like to play with animals and it would only take a nip to put a scar on a child’s face.
Hers were too, she posted all these images of them all over her facebook. Showing off their personalities and what big "softies" they were. Until, of course, they weren't .

Tragic but somewhat predictable. Dogs have good and bad days like humans do, they get ill, and pissed off and grouchy like humans do. Sadly, when you have animals that can physically maul you to death, there is an inherent risk. A poorly pissed off poodle can cause a nasty nip and then some, but ultimately the risk is much lower than with a pair of dogs that could rip you apart if they went postal.

I'm firmly in the "don't see the point" category, there are plenty of similarly loving and personable breeds that are less risky if it goes wrong.

Dogwatch

6,369 posts

246 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Apparently afterwards one of the dogs was so out of control the police couldn't subdue it and had to kill it (according to the news). The other was captured.

Very sad for all.

Genuine Barn Find

5,868 posts

239 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Might sound harsh, but if this was going to happen, better it did ‘in-house’, than in some park or open space with some random toddler/child etc utilised as a dogs’ chew toy

mike74

3,687 posts

156 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Is it just my imagination or do these always seem to be in and around the Merseyside area?

-crookedtail-

1,587 posts

214 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
-crookedtail- said:
I have a Rhodesian Ridgeback, another big breed that could go astray without proper training from puppy age, fortunately he is a big softy but it was hard work initially. .
I am never surprised how much dog owners imbue their canine charges with human personalities, traits and characteristics,
so, you don't think it possible that dogs can lose their tempers, go postal and, with other dogs in the household,
engage in unthinking violence ?

No matter how tame or domesticated, I think all dogs have the potential to harm humans, with or without provocation .
Intriguing question - Of course you're right in that all animals have the potential to harm but once again I would say it comes down to that dog and its environment. They are pack animals and need a leader and to know their place in that pack to feel happy and secure, I highly doubt that was the case with these two.

Still...
- Do I think mine would go postal and engage in 'unthinking violence'? No
- Would I leave him alone babysitting with my young niece? No

Don Roque

18,232 posts

183 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Social media will be awash with offended apologists saying 'it's not the dog's fault, it's how you raise them'.

EW109

320 posts

164 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Initforthemoney said:
Retrievers are not what I would call a dangerous dog.
I don't know -- there's always the great danger of being licked to death.

Gargamel

16,167 posts

285 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Of course being bitten to death by dogs must be one of the more horrendous ways to go and therefore its always new. It is a tragedy.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that there are over eight million dogs in the UK. Death by dog is under 10 a year.

Cars on the other hand....


Chestrockwell

2,909 posts

181 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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The boxer dog on the right is one of my favourites and I think they’re very intelligent. If I was to get one, it would be one of those! I had no idea they had the tendency to become aggressive. I wonder if those 2 dogs had their balls cut off as I hear that they’re very aggressive when you don’t give them the chop.


FourWheelDrift

91,966 posts

308 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Big dogs kept as "security" and not socialised properly. She could have walked in and spooked them, two dogs that have probably been trained by repetition and reward to be aggressive.

It's almost always somewhere that looks like you wouldn't want to walk alone at night - https://goo.gl/maps/r2XK2vRSarjUigwf7

FourWheelDrift

91,966 posts

308 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Gargamel said:
Of course being bitten to death by dogs must be one of the more horrendous ways to go and therefore its always new. It is a tragedy.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that there are over eight million dogs in the UK. Death by dog is under 10 a year.

Cars on the other hand....
And knives, falling down stairs (1000 a year in the UK), choking on food (398 last year) and 26 which is the average number of women choked to death during sex every year.

Sheepshanks

39,522 posts

143 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
It's almost always somewhere that looks like you wouldn't want to walk alone at night - https://goo.gl/maps/r2XK2vRSarjUigwf7
Blimey, if you think that street scene looks dodgy you've led a very sheltered life.

Fatball

645 posts

83 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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mike74 said:
Is it just my imagination or do these always seem to be in and around the Merseyside area?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

5 including this one in Merseyside area since 1989 by looks of it. Cornwall looks a dodgy place for dog deaths also.

Fatball

645 posts

83 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Initforthemoney said:
Retrievers are not what I would call a dangerous dog.
Top of the list for UK dog bites apparently. Although they almost always top the list for popularity.