No deal Brexit and possible fuel shortages?
Discussion
As per the title (and the fact that it has happened before) I am slightly concerned that if we have a messy Brexit later this month, we might see fuel shortages. To that end, I have filled and stored 60 litres of fuel in three 20 litre cans in my garage, just in case.
Sensible, or a paranoid nutter? I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has done something similar...
Sensible, or a paranoid nutter? I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has done something similar...
Sensible to do it now - I think if we have a shortage it's because everyone will panic and try and fill every container they have ready. Much like the fuel strikes years ago, there was enough to cover a normal supply, just not the panic that ensued.
Quite what'll actually happen, who knows.
Quite what'll actually happen, who knows.
https://www.dsfire.gov.uk/YourSafety/SafetyOutDoor...
Whilst I wouldn't normally get all anal about this, if lots of people start doing it the risks increase.
Whilst I wouldn't normally get all anal about this, if lots of people start doing it the risks increase.
bad company said:
Apparently the French won’t sell us any cheese & wine and the Germans won’t be sending any cars. We’re all going to hell in a handcart.
FFS guys get a grip.
Haha FFS guys get a grip.
So you would select to prohibit sales of your countries produce to 60m existing consumers and not for Iran / Russian style sanctions is bemusing.
Oh well lovely sommerset Brie will be perfectly fine &. Those English wines + South Africa or actually anywhere that will not sell.
Strange strategy but hey bring it
king stockpiling dYou're not legally allowed to store more than 20 litres (I think?) In private premises.
But yeah, I fully expect us to be massively inconvenienced at minimum. The best anyone can say is "It might not be that bad".
People keep rolling out the old "Oh you think BMW won't sell us cars after Brexit?" That's not an argument, that's just a dumb soundbite. No, I expect small UK companies whose red tape will increase massively (not to mention overheads) will go to the wall rapidly, and I expect many US and Japanese owned firms to either shut up shop or significantly downsize in leiu of keeping their bases within the EU bloc.This is not a bad thing for France and Germany, but is for us.
When that happens, I'm estimating a high level of unemployment, so all the tradesmen, shopkeepers and people who claim not to be affected by EU imports or exports will also see incomes drop. Unproductive and on the edge businesses will fail and we'll most certainly see an economic slowdown, if not a long recession.
However, Boris talks the talk, but will he walk the walk? No, of course not. Expect some last minute concession on his part, and *maybe* even the EU's to avoid no deal. The alternative truly is not worth thinking about and I assume he knows that. If he doesn't then expect us to be living a muted British version of Mad Max 2 by sometime in 2021.
(This is also not considering the possibility of a national unity government, general election etc. which will almost certainly result in a softer Brexit, or perhaps even remain...)
But yeah, I fully expect us to be massively inconvenienced at minimum. The best anyone can say is "It might not be that bad".
People keep rolling out the old "Oh you think BMW won't sell us cars after Brexit?" That's not an argument, that's just a dumb soundbite. No, I expect small UK companies whose red tape will increase massively (not to mention overheads) will go to the wall rapidly, and I expect many US and Japanese owned firms to either shut up shop or significantly downsize in leiu of keeping their bases within the EU bloc.This is not a bad thing for France and Germany, but is for us.
When that happens, I'm estimating a high level of unemployment, so all the tradesmen, shopkeepers and people who claim not to be affected by EU imports or exports will also see incomes drop. Unproductive and on the edge businesses will fail and we'll most certainly see an economic slowdown, if not a long recession.
However, Boris talks the talk, but will he walk the walk? No, of course not. Expect some last minute concession on his part, and *maybe* even the EU's to avoid no deal. The alternative truly is not worth thinking about and I assume he knows that. If he doesn't then expect us to be living a muted British version of Mad Max 2 by sometime in 2021.
(This is also not considering the possibility of a national unity government, general election etc. which will almost certainly result in a softer Brexit, or perhaps even remain...)
Edited by MarJay on Wednesday 2nd October 11:03
And yet during WW2, we managed to lay a PLUTO and deliver hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel to the continent of Europe. Now it seems that if a few bits of paper get signed, or don't get signed we might have a fuel shortage in the UK where all the refineries have to sit on hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel, because they don't need the money from that trade, and cannot get it across the channel. Riiiiight 
Pan Pan Pan said:
And yet during WW2, we managed to lay a PLUTO and deliver hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel to the continent of Europe. Now it seems that if a few bits of paper get signed, or don't get signed we might have a fuel shortage in the UK where all the refineries have to sit on hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel, because they don't need the money from that trade, and cannot get it across the channel. Riiiiight
The nature of British industry has changed a LOT since then. We did have to import 100 octane fuel from the US as I recall.We don't have the economic might we did at the beginning of WWII. People troll out this 'Blitz spirit' nonsense, but we did not choose that situation. We chose this, and threatening no deal is akin to holding a gun to our own heads and threatening to shoot.
Our economy is geared towards being in the EU. Can we change that? Yes, sure. In the short term? Not a chance. People spoke about a 'lost decade' after the financial crisis of 2008.... I think that's what we're in for now.
MarJay said:
You're not legally allowed to store more than 20 litres (I think?) In private premises.
But yeah, I fully expect us to be massively inconvenienced at minimum. The best anyone can say is "It might not be that bad".
People keep rolling out the old "Oh you think BMW won't sell us cars after Brexit?" That's not an argument, that's just a dumb soundbite. No, I expect small UK companies whose red tape will increase massively (not to mention overheads) will go to the wall rapidly, and I expect many US and Japanese owned firms to either shut up shop or significantly downsize in leiu of keeping their bases within the EU bloc.This is not a bad thing for France and Germany, but is for us.
When that happens, I'm estimating a high level of unemployment, so all the tradesmen, shopkeepers and people who claim not to be affected by EU imports or exports will also see incomes drop. Unproductive and on the edge businesses will fail and we'll most certainly see an economic slowdown, if not a long recession.
However, Boris talks the talk, but will he walk the walk? No, of course not. Expect some last minute concession on his part, and *maybe* even the EU's to avoid no deal. The alternative truly is not worth thinking about and I assume he knows that. If he doesn't then expect us to be living a muted British version of Mad Max 2 by sometime in 2021.
(This is also not considering the possibility of a national unity government, general election etc. which will almost certainly result in a softer Brexit, or perhaps even remain...)
And I expect none of that to happen. Next.But yeah, I fully expect us to be massively inconvenienced at minimum. The best anyone can say is "It might not be that bad".
People keep rolling out the old "Oh you think BMW won't sell us cars after Brexit?" That's not an argument, that's just a dumb soundbite. No, I expect small UK companies whose red tape will increase massively (not to mention overheads) will go to the wall rapidly, and I expect many US and Japanese owned firms to either shut up shop or significantly downsize in leiu of keeping their bases within the EU bloc.This is not a bad thing for France and Germany, but is for us.
When that happens, I'm estimating a high level of unemployment, so all the tradesmen, shopkeepers and people who claim not to be affected by EU imports or exports will also see incomes drop. Unproductive and on the edge businesses will fail and we'll most certainly see an economic slowdown, if not a long recession.
However, Boris talks the talk, but will he walk the walk? No, of course not. Expect some last minute concession on his part, and *maybe* even the EU's to avoid no deal. The alternative truly is not worth thinking about and I assume he knows that. If he doesn't then expect us to be living a muted British version of Mad Max 2 by sometime in 2021.
(This is also not considering the possibility of a national unity government, general election etc. which will almost certainly result in a softer Brexit, or perhaps even remain...)
Edited by MarJay on Wednesday 2nd October 11:03
I'll just ensure that both mine and the other half's cars have a full tank. I usually keep mine topped up so know I've got 600 miles in that and similar in the other half's.
I do recall coming back from a holiday in 2000 to the strikes and fuel shortages but there was still fuel, just muppets queuing and panic buying really. Stupidly back then I was 18 and £5 worth of fuel actually took you somewhere. So I recall coming home from the holiday and the car needing fuel which was a pain.
I won't be doing anything other than I normally do though and just having a full tank. I can imagine all the idiots sh!tting themselves over it though and queuing up for it.
I do recall coming back from a holiday in 2000 to the strikes and fuel shortages but there was still fuel, just muppets queuing and panic buying really. Stupidly back then I was 18 and £5 worth of fuel actually took you somewhere. So I recall coming home from the holiday and the car needing fuel which was a pain.
I won't be doing anything other than I normally do though and just having a full tank. I can imagine all the idiots sh!tting themselves over it though and queuing up for it.
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